The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said it received more than 1 million reports of AI-related child sexual abuse material in 2025, with “the vast majority” stemming from Amazon.

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    “Innocent until proved guilty” is also a rather important moral principle, because it prevents witch hunts.

    Plus we don’t even need to claim he got CSAM in his laptop — the fact that he leads a company covering child abusers is more than enough.

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      Witch hunts? I think you are misguided here

      It’s a completely reasonable belief given everything we know about him that he has access to and consumes csam if he so desires.

      That is a reasonable belief based on his actions and character but not provable court.

      The real legal principle you’re looking for here is defamation and even then it doesn’t protect him because it’s totally reasonable to conclude he does such a thing

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        About principles:

        I am talking about presumption of innocence = innocent until proved guilty. Not defamation. More specifically, I’m contradicting what you said in the other comment:

        Innocent until proven guilty is for a court of law not public opinion

        If presumption of innocence is also a moral principle, it should also matter for the public opinion. The public (everyone, including you and me) should not accuse anyone based on assumptions, “trust me”, or similar; we should only do it when there’s some evidence backing it up.

        Not even if the target was Hitler. Because, even if the target is filth incarnated, that principle is still damn important.


        Now, specifically about Bezos:

        I am not aware of evidence that would back up the claim that Bezos has CSAM in his personal laptop. If you have it, please, share it. Because it’s yet another thing to accuse that disgusting filth of. (Besides, you know… being a psychopathic money hoarder, practically a slaver, and his company shielding child abusers?)

        EDIT: let me guess. Epstein files?

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          The evidence is circumstantial, but this is in fact evidence

          1. Amazon has access to csam
          2. Bezos has access on his personal laptop to whatever he wants from Amazon

          If that’s not good enough for you then you have more faith in his character than I do

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            The evidence is circumstantial, but this is in fact evidence

            No, not really. “He could do it” is not the same as “he did it”.

            If that’s not good enough for you then you have more faith in his character than I do

            That would be the case if I said “he didn’t do it”. However that is not what I’m saying, what I’m saying is more like “dunno”.

            …I edited the earlier comment mentioning the Epstein files. There might be some actual evidence there.

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              This is literally what circumstantial evidence is

              You’re asking for direct evidence but both are evidence one is just much stronger than the other

              Im satisfied with circumstantial evidence here to a mere preponderance. A criminal court allows circumstantial or direct evidence but it must prove the thing beyond a reasonable doubt in America.

              I’m not a court I can freely accept circumstantial evidence and make a conclusion that isn’t beyond a reasonable doubt

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                This is literally what circumstantial evidence is

                Emphasis mine. You’re making a fool of yourself by confusing legal and moral matters, even if I’m clearly talking about the later.

                But let’s bite. This is simply incorrect. The mere fact someone is able to do something is not, by itself, circumstantial evidence they did it. You’d need to pile up multiple pieces of circumstantial evidence, until you can brush off any reasonable doubt they did it, before you said “we got circumstantial evidence!”

                For example. If someone took a photo, through a window, of Bezos’ computer in a room, and nobody but Bezos had access to that room, and the photo showed CSAM in Bezos’ computer, that would be circumstantial evidence.

                You’re asking for direct evidence but both are evidence one is just much stronger than the other

                No, assumer, I’m not restricting it to direct evidence.

                Im satisfied with circumstantial evidence here to a mere preponderance. A criminal court allows circumstantial or direct evidence but it must prove the thing beyond a reasonable doubt in America.

                Again, I am talking about moral principles. (Plus, do laws in the banana republic maize dictatorship bordering Canada even matter? Even if he got CSAM in his computer, Trump would pardon him. And the moral issue would still remain.)

                I’m not a court I can freely accept circumstantial evidence and make a conclusion that isn’t beyond a reasonable doubt

                Bezos can ligma. If that filth got cancer and died a painful death, I’d consider it great news.

                However. The fucking principle matters. A lot. And pieces of shit eager to violate it are a dead weight and a burden to humankind. Because they don’t do it only towards filth like Bezos; they point their fingers hooves at other people around them, and make a hell out of their lives.

                And what you said is the same as “I don’t give a crap about being just, I’m OK blaming people even when there’s a reasonable chance they aren’t at fault”.

                Not wasting my time further with you.