There is already a lot of good Chinese DDR 5 memory on the market and it’s a matter of time before Chinese GPU’s and CPU’s proliferate. I remember people in the west global north were sceptic about the viability of Chinese electric cars ever existing just 5 years ago; Elon even laughed at the possibility. Tables turn fast when you have industrial capacity and central planning.
Chinese electric cars were always going to take off. RAM is just a commodity; if you sell the most bits at the lowest price and sufficient speed, it works.
If you’re in edge machine learning, if you write your own software stacks for niche stuff, Chinese hardware will be killer.
But if you’re trying to run Steam games? Or CUDA projects? That’s a whole different story. It doesn’t matter how good the hardware is, they’re always going to be handicapped by software in “legacy” code. Not just for performance, but driver bugs/quirks.
Proton (and focusing everything on a good Vulkan driver) is not a bad path forward, but still. They’re working against decades of dev work targeting AMD/Nvidia/Intel, up and down the stack.
But i feel it’s not a matter of the Industry adapting into an entirely different ecosystem. As in, i don’t think that China will be taking over the computer industry. I feel it will be more of an issue of giving American companies and their anti-consumer practices something they haven’t had during their lifetimes: Real competition. I feel a lot of attitudes could change once they are in an ecosystem where they don’t have the luxury of monopolies and closed environments and i feel we are long overdue for having new players in this difficult field. It’s not about being a China shill either but in the end competition is good for the consumer. It’s concerning that all American tech industries are in bed with each other and also in bed with a government bent in global control and totalitarian surveillance. I don’t think Chinese manufacturers could be exempt from these dangers but at least it will give consumers the possibilities to pick their poison.
Also, GPU and graphics standards have changed in less than decades. We can still play old games in new software. AAA Developer models are clearly dying and new standards for Indie and AA development are emerging. Some of the hottest games this year could be defined as made by indie studios. So instead of hitting a wall i feel gaming in general could be moving into a new paradigm and i sure as hell wish that paradigm is not cloud computing.
I am not a dedicated gamer. I am from south America and I am playing Expedition 33 with full graphics on a 10 year old, entry range GPU on an old AMD CPU with 32 gigs of DDR 4 memory. And I’m having fun! And this rig works great for my job with a variety of open sourced and pirated software. I don’t need the latest and the greatest. I just need something that gives me results at an affordable price. Lets say that for the next 5 years that might be the new standard as the industry self corrects.
Hard to swoop in with massive tariffs. The few players that remain will just charge a lot more…it’ll become the rich lucky few who can afford their own hardware.
Sorry to break it to you bud; But America has a Plutocracy problem; It’s not a question of Putin running the show, but the American legal system being unable to persecute crimes and corruption if it happens to be billionaires. So in essence the system is compromised.
I don’t disagree on the longstanding corruption problem. Yet I uphold the claim that this does not just expose the system to domestic, but also foreign corruption and influence.
Not an American here, nor a defender of what people did or didn’t vote for.
What I was getting at was the massive media manipulation from outside and inside and the obvious foreign control the Dear Leader is under. With the deadly combination of of poor education, widespread media illiteracy and pervasive social media, our democracies have become even more remotely-controllable for whoever is willing to put the money in.
Yeah, there’s no need for this disproven conspiracy theory. Trump is 100% American, which is why they voted him in again. He’s just the version too stupid to not say the things out loud.
“Disproven conspiracy”? In light of the multitude of connections between Trump (or his cronies) and the Kremlin that show up in the most recent batch of the Epstein files, I guess we’re on the verge of making that a proven conspiracy.
Until then, just looking at Trump’s track record is enough to convince me Trump is 100% enacting orders from Moscow. Why else would he
withholding and threaten to cut Ukraine off from American military aid.
drive a wedge between the US and its former Western allies.
give D0GE unfettered access to the government’s most sensitive information (including nuclear ones), only to then have Russian IP addresses try to connect?
gut USAID, thus putting more pressure on Europe through increasing refugee streams
Sorry but no. As profoundly unfair and undemocratic the US system is, it’s still more democratic than Russia where any serious opposition is literally murdered in broad daylight.
“The votes are for show” – do you mean to say that Trump’s victory in 2016, Biden’s in 2020 and Trump’s again in 2024 were prearranged by the central “powers that be”?
AMERICAN manufacturers, just waint until the Chinese industries swoop in to fill the gap. I seriously feel America just wants to kneecap itself.
“banned for security concerns”
Not a problem for me; I’m not in America, I own a Huawei phone and a Huion Tablet.
I mean, I’d kill for a Chinese GPU. But software lock-in for your Steam back catalog is strong.
Also, have you been watching all the Chinese GPU announcements? They’re all in on datacenter machine learning ASICs too.
There is already a lot of good Chinese DDR 5 memory on the market and it’s a matter of time before Chinese GPU’s and CPU’s proliferate. I remember people in the west global north were sceptic about the viability of Chinese electric cars ever existing just 5 years ago; Elon even laughed at the possibility. Tables turn fast when you have industrial capacity and central planning.
Chinese electric cars were always going to take off. RAM is just a commodity; if you sell the most bits at the lowest price and sufficient speed, it works.
If you’re in edge machine learning, if you write your own software stacks for niche stuff, Chinese hardware will be killer.
But if you’re trying to run Steam games? Or CUDA projects? That’s a whole different story. It doesn’t matter how good the hardware is, they’re always going to be handicapped by software in “legacy” code. Not just for performance, but driver bugs/quirks.
Proton (and focusing everything on a good Vulkan driver) is not a bad path forward, but still. They’re working against decades of dev work targeting AMD/Nvidia/Intel, up and down the stack.
But i feel it’s not a matter of the Industry adapting into an entirely different ecosystem. As in, i don’t think that China will be taking over the computer industry. I feel it will be more of an issue of giving American companies and their anti-consumer practices something they haven’t had during their lifetimes: Real competition. I feel a lot of attitudes could change once they are in an ecosystem where they don’t have the luxury of monopolies and closed environments and i feel we are long overdue for having new players in this difficult field. It’s not about being a China shill either but in the end competition is good for the consumer. It’s concerning that all American tech industries are in bed with each other and also in bed with a government bent in global control and totalitarian surveillance. I don’t think Chinese manufacturers could be exempt from these dangers but at least it will give consumers the possibilities to pick their poison.
Also, GPU and graphics standards have changed in less than decades. We can still play old games in new software. AAA Developer models are clearly dying and new standards for Indie and AA development are emerging. Some of the hottest games this year could be defined as made by indie studios. So instead of hitting a wall i feel gaming in general could be moving into a new paradigm and i sure as hell wish that paradigm is not cloud computing.
I am not a dedicated gamer. I am from south America and I am playing Expedition 33 with full graphics on a 10 year old, entry range GPU on an old AMD CPU with 32 gigs of DDR 4 memory. And I’m having fun! And this rig works great for my job with a variety of open sourced and pirated software. I don’t need the latest and the greatest. I just need something that gives me results at an affordable price. Lets say that for the next 5 years that might be the new standard as the industry self corrects.
Do you think they won’t just ban the Chinese products lol, this ain’t a democracy bud
I’m not American so I ain’t part of your non-democracy.
Wants to kneecap itself?
Dude, the US is going full seppuku and we’re going to gut ourselves on the floor.
Hard to swoop in with massive tariffs. The few players that remain will just charge a lot more…it’ll become the rich lucky few who can afford their own hardware.
The rest of the world will be fine.
No such tariffs in the EU 🥹
yet
The US is not the only place to sell to
America doesn’t. The Russian asset in the White House and its brainwashed minions do.
Sorry to break it to you bud; But America has a Plutocracy problem; It’s not a question of Putin running the show, but the American legal system being unable to persecute crimes and corruption if it happens to be billionaires. So in essence the system is compromised.
I don’t disagree on the longstanding corruption problem. Yet I uphold the claim that this does not just expose the system to domestic, but also foreign corruption and influence.
You guys voted him in, twice, with the popular vote the second time. Don’t pretend you don’t own him.
Not an American here, nor a defender of what people did or didn’t vote for.
What I was getting at was the massive media manipulation from outside and inside and the obvious foreign control the Dear Leader is under. With the deadly combination of of poor education, widespread media illiteracy and pervasive social media, our democracies have become even more remotely-controllable for whoever is willing to put the money in.
Yeah, there’s no need for this disproven conspiracy theory. Trump is 100% American, which is why they voted him in again. He’s just the version too stupid to not say the things out loud.
“Disproven conspiracy”? In light of the multitude of connections between Trump (or his cronies) and the Kremlin that show up in the most recent batch of the Epstein files, I guess we’re on the verge of making that a proven conspiracy.
Until then, just looking at Trump’s track record is enough to convince me Trump is 100% enacting orders from Moscow. Why else would he
You misspelled Mossad there
The US is not a democracy. Just like in Russia, the votes are for show.
Sorry but no. As profoundly unfair and undemocratic the US system is, it’s still more democratic than Russia where any serious opposition is literally murdered in broad daylight.
“The votes are for show” – do you mean to say that Trump’s victory in 2016, Biden’s in 2020 and Trump’s again in 2024 were prearranged by the central “powers that be”?