Look at Yemen. They’re upholding international law. One of the only ones to do anything about it. Is little Yemen more powerful than China, or are they just more bullish on humanity?
Yemen being weaker/irrelevant is likely exactly why the US is not afraid of their actions. China being stronger, but not overwhelmingly so, and more connected to the west might just be the reason why the US is more afraid of what China is doing and will react more harshly because of it.
“Critical support” means support with criticism. This thread lacks that criticism, imo.
Who said that we are only offering critical support to China? Also, critical support is more so used for the likes of Russia which are acting anti-imperialist, but still built on capitalist exploitation and generally not having an ML philosophy attached to their politics. At least that’s how I understood it.
I’m not saying China needs to go in guns blazing like Yemen, but they could unquestionably move the needle. If they did, you’d support it, right? If so, how could you defend them doing basically NOTHING about it? NOTHING about Gaza. NOTHING about Cuba. Propose something at the UN and say they support international law while not even asking for the GA to act outside the UNSC.
The alternative to critical support is uncritical support, and I’d hope no Marxist gives uncritical support to literally anything.
If you’d bothered to read the rest of the thread you would understand thats just your liberal bias coming out and that a proper investigation reveals that China is in fact, not doing nothing for any of those you just listed.
Here is a list of stuff China has done to help other countries, even if not in the sense of “exporting revolution” or “military intervention”. It was posted in this thread: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/10742177/7766919
I am copy/pasting the parts that relate to Cuba and Palestine for emphasis.
Cuba – Massive solar rollout; grid support; equipment and financing replacing lost Russian capacity under U.S. blockade, food aid.
Palestine – Diplomatic support for statehood; humanitarian aid; rejection of Israeli/U.S. framing, support of PLO.
Keep in mind this is one person’s list too. There is probably more in the details with the right research.
Please tell me if China has done anything other than restrict new investments in Israel. Please tell me which thing I said was false and I’ll correct it immediately. I’m not humiliated by being wrong. I’m humiliated by doubling down.
Source? Jk, but you can’t just make that assumption. What does “move the needle” even mean? And what is the cost of moving it?
I assure you that our comrades over there have already thought about those things.
If they did, you’d support it, right? If so, how could you defend them doing basically NOTHING about it?
Sure, but only because them “doing something about it” would also mean that they have the material conditions to do so, which is the only reason they would make that decision.
That also means that them not doing something about it is based on their material analysis and I trust them when they say that they can’t do much more than they already are. Who am I to disagree? I simply don’t have the hubris to assume that I know better than the most successful socialist experiment of humanity.
They know more about their geopolitical standing than I do. I am just gonna refer to the experts and the experts in this case is the CPC
The alternative to critical support is uncritical support, and I’d hope no Marxist gives uncritical support to literally anything.
That would mean that everything we support, we support critically, which then removes the meaning of critical support imo.
I believe it is more so that it is critical for us to support something even if it hurts us. At least, again, that’s how I understood it.
I am also sure our comrades there have thought of these things. I am sure their calculus is different than ours. They are trying to build socialism in China. They have a long-standing policy of non-involvement. I support it until it comes to genocide.
Sure, but only because them “doing something about it” would also mean that they have the material conditions to do so, which is the only reason they would make that decision.
This sounds like handwaving away criticism to me. They don’t do it? Well they would if they could! But people smarter than me decided they can’t! Tough luck!
I reject that as defeatism.
when they say that they can’t do much more than they already are
Did they say that? I’ve not seen so much as a statement to that effect. Are you sure you’re not wishcasting?
That would mean that everything we support, we support critically, which then removes the meaning of critical support imo.
How? I don’t follow. Yes, only give support critically. Never give uncritical support. Nobody is above reproach and everyone should be criticized as long as that criticism is principled and strategic.
Yemen being weaker/irrelevant is likely exactly why the US is not afraid of their actions. China being stronger, but not overwhelmingly so, and more connected to the west might just be the reason why the US is more afraid of what China is doing and will react more harshly because of it.
Who said that we are only offering critical support to China? Also, critical support is more so used for the likes of Russia which are acting anti-imperialist, but still built on capitalist exploitation and generally not having an ML philosophy attached to their politics. At least that’s how I understood it.
I’m not saying China needs to go in guns blazing like Yemen, but they could unquestionably move the needle. If they did, you’d support it, right? If so, how could you defend them doing basically NOTHING about it? NOTHING about Gaza. NOTHING about Cuba. Propose something at the UN and say they support international law while not even asking for the GA to act outside the UNSC.
The alternative to critical support is uncritical support, and I’d hope no Marxist gives uncritical support to literally anything.
If you’d bothered to read the rest of the thread you would understand thats just your liberal bias coming out and that a proper investigation reveals that China is in fact, not doing nothing for any of those you just listed.
I don’t see what in the thread you’re referring to that establishes that, comrade. Can you please point me there?
The comments within this thread I mean
Here is a list of stuff China has done to help other countries, even if not in the sense of “exporting revolution” or “military intervention”. It was posted in this thread: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/10742177/7766919
I am copy/pasting the parts that relate to Cuba and Palestine for emphasis.
Keep in mind this is one person’s list too. There is probably more in the details with the right research.
You really should fact check your comments before you start talking arrogantly to avoid humiliation.
Please tell me if China has done anything other than restrict new investments in Israel. Please tell me which thing I said was false and I’ll correct it immediately. I’m not humiliated by being wrong. I’m humiliated by doubling down.
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/10742177/7766919
“China does nothing” you are an uneducated arrogant fool.
Source? Jk, but you can’t just make that assumption. What does “move the needle” even mean? And what is the cost of moving it?
I assure you that our comrades over there have already thought about those things.
Sure, but only because them “doing something about it” would also mean that they have the material conditions to do so, which is the only reason they would make that decision.
That also means that them not doing something about it is based on their material analysis and I trust them when they say that they can’t do much more than they already are. Who am I to disagree? I simply don’t have the hubris to assume that I know better than the most successful socialist experiment of humanity.
They know more about their geopolitical standing than I do. I am just gonna refer to the experts and the experts in this case is the CPC
That would mean that everything we support, we support critically, which then removes the meaning of critical support imo.
I believe it is more so that it is critical for us to support something even if it hurts us. At least, again, that’s how I understood it.
I am also sure our comrades there have thought of these things. I am sure their calculus is different than ours. They are trying to build socialism in China. They have a long-standing policy of non-involvement. I support it until it comes to genocide.
This sounds like handwaving away criticism to me. They don’t do it? Well they would if they could! But people smarter than me decided they can’t! Tough luck!
I reject that as defeatism.
Did they say that? I’ve not seen so much as a statement to that effect. Are you sure you’re not wishcasting?
How? I don’t follow. Yes, only give support critically. Never give uncritical support. Nobody is above reproach and everyone should be criticized as long as that criticism is principled and strategic.