No bro this US war in the middle east will be completely different, bro. See, this time the regime we’re trying to get rid of is REALLY BAD!

No no, this is nothing like all those other times. This time military interventionism to topple an oil-rich government in west Asia will lead to peace and democracy. Our soldiers will be greeted as liberators!

You don’t understand, bro. This time the government and the media are telling us the truth! This time the regime really IS committing mass atrocities and they really ARE trying to build weapons of mass destruction.

I know you think this will be a disaster like all those other US military interventions in the region, but you see, unlike all those other times, this time there are many foreign policy analysts from highly respected think tanks and mass media outlets assuring us that it will go perfectly fine.

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    Why benefiting from one war when you can benefits for multiple

    Israel is making the US MIC peanuts compared to Ukraine. Israel is also wasting massive amounts of the US interceptor stockpile to the points the US cut the 12 day war short because it was getting very low. Whereas Ukraine is expandable to the US (which is weird because they’re so close to Russia so according to realpolitik the US should see them as very important) we all know that the US would do anything to save Israel, in a region filled to the brim with US backed dictators.

    The whole west agree with all American foreign policies how attacking Iran would ruin anything in the liberal world order?

    Attacking Iran could destroy the global economy with soaring oil prices and everyone is going along with it. We both know who has been pushing the US to bomb Iran for 30 years. In the words of the man himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8TxOwYte0

    After the attack the USA promised more investment and defense cooperation with Qatar

    Qatar finalized an already ongoing deal deal with the US but they now looking at into Chinese and Turkish alternatives for planes and interceptors.

    Nothing is free. If it help counter China and Russia interests then from an American imperialism perspective it is totally worth it

    Actually it is free. Ukraine and other countries get forced into taking US loans. Israel literally gets everything for free. Also it doesn’t protect the region at all. Stuff like the overthrowing of Assad using Saudi proxies was done without Israel. Saudi, Jordan, Egypt and UAE are far better lapdogs for the US in the region.The US also has like 100 military bases in every country region already. (Except of course inside Israel which wants to stay independent of the US)

    Major military projects are co-funded by the USA and Israel

    But they’re not. They are funded by the USA. Israel even gets the free money as a lump sum at the start of the year (the amount of Israeli exceptions to every US rule is crazy) and then Israel loans it back to the US so the US pays interest over their own money. Then they do stuff like this “Israel’s armaments independence must become a national goal

    If true what Netenyahu is waiting to force Trump to allow official annexation of the west bank with the files?

    He just did that last week lmao. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5x2l3v0qo

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      Israel is making the US MIC peanuts compared to Ukraine.

      More money is more money thatès how greedy the elite are

      Israel is also wasting massive amounts of the US interceptor stockpile to the points the US cut the 12 day war short because it was getting very low

      Yes nobody expect Iran to retaliate as hard. Israel and the USA was full of themselves after all the minor wins they got

      Attacking Iran could destroy the global economy with soaring oil prices and everyone is going along with it. We both know who has been pushing the US to bomb Iran for 30 years. In the words of the man himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8TxOwYte0

      For big rewards you need big risks. So the USA is willing to destroy the global economy temporarily to take control of the region which is the most important region for empires and global trade for 1600 years

      • The Middle East was the only viable path for the Silk Road. The Roman Empire and the Parthian/Sassanid Empires fought for centuries over the Levant and Mesopotamia specifically to control the customs duties of these trade routes.

      • The Siege of Constantinople (1453) : this siege forced Europeans power to find a way around the middle east

      • The middle east was called the lifeline of the British empire and Britain wanted to prevent the Russian Empire from moving south into the Middle East, which would have allowed Russia to cut off Britain’s access to India

      the words of the man himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW8TxOwYte0

      Nobody is denying that Israel want the war and want to rely on the USA. What I reject is the idea that the USA doesn’t have there own interests for overthrowing Iran government. This whitewash the american empire and make it looks like they are the victim of Israel who is always forced to only serve Israeli interests rather than the distinct interests of both side

      Actually it is free.

      Nothing is free every investment has a purpose

      Also it doesn’t protect the region at all

      The USA never cared about protecting the region the middle east. The USA strategy is ruling though chaos

      Egypt and UAE are far better lapdogs for the US in the region.

      Those country population will always be anti Israel there is always a chance that those regimes would be overthrown

      Qatar finalized an already ongoing deal deal with the US

      The deal got upgraded

      Except of course inside Israel which wants to stay independent of the US

      There is 1,000 American personnel in Site 512 in Negev. They do not officially called a base but it is one

      But they’re not. They are funded by the USA. Israel even gets the free money as a lump sum at the start of the year (the amount of Israeli exceptions to every US rule is crazy) and then Israel loans it back to the US so the US pays interest over their own money.

      Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon make a lot of money from Israel. For the $3.8 billion base grant in 2026, Israel is only permitted to spend roughly $250 million domestically Your link confirm what I said Israel’s armaments independence being a goal means that right now it is not

      He just did that last week lmao. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg5x2l3v0qo

      The USA policy was always letting Israel expands settlements discreetly. What I am talking about is official annexation which would mean the PA will be abolished and israel would declare sovereignty on the whole area. So it has nothing to do with the Epstein files which Netenyahu don’t want to be fully released because it will associate Israel with pedophilia.

      They talked about bugged rooms but allies always spied on each other. The USA is also spying on Israel

      https://forward.com/fast-forward/186772/us-spied-on-israel-even-as-they-shared-intelligenc/#%3A~%3Atext=Israel+has+been+the+target%2Cto+the+New+York+Times.

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        Those country population will always be anti Israel there is always a chance that those regimes would be overthrown

        Israel sold US military secrets to Russia and stole US nukes. Israel used to be British backed, then French backed, and now US backed. They are in no way a reliable military ally and we both know Israel will gladly switch sides to Russia or China if it ever becomes advantageous for them.

        Middle eastern governments like Egypt don’t simply get overthrown because of their population hating Israel (would also be easier if Israel didn’t exist). Look at Egypt. The US instantly installed another puppet dictator and armed them to the brim. Same thing they do in every other Middle-Eastern country. It’s all actual puppets which actually listen to the US. In contrast to Israel which doesn’t care about what the US says.

        The USA never cared about protecting the region the middle east. The USA strategy is ruling though chaos

        Which is done through Wahabi groups from Saudi and the UAE which create ISIS offshoots. Not by Israel.

        Even the major wars (which are often instigated by Israel) are not fought by Israel. See Iraq, Libya, and now Iran. What is Israel contributing here? America and NATO are fighting these wars. Israel was in no way necessary. The only thing Israel “contributes” here is blackmail and lobbying to get the US to bomb Iran. For… Israel.

        Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon make a lot of money from Israel. For the $3.8 billion base grant in 2026, Israel is only permitted to spend roughly $250 million domestically Your link confirm what I said Israel’s armaments independence being a goal means that right now it is not

        Ukraine got $188 billion already. Israel is peanuts compared to Ukraine. Israel also has an arms industry which is competing with the US and taking their contracts.

        The USA policy was always letting Israel expands settlements discreetly. What I am talking about is official annexation which would mean the PA will be abolished and israel would declare sovereignty on the whole area.

        Yeah they basically did that.

        There will always be minor advantages for the USA to point to but in reality all the signs point to Israel and AIPAC controlling US politicians to do Israel’s bidding when it comes to middle-eastern foreign policy.

        I recommend this GDF video on the matter, I’ve timestamped it on an interesting point but the entire thing is worth a watch https://youtu.be/1ox-DzSF7Tg?t=1641

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          Middle eastern governments like Egypt don’t simply get overthrown because of their population hating Israel

          It happened once it could happen another time. Even if the chance is 0.1% it is worth to take the threat seriously

          Which is done through Wahabi groups from Saudi and the UAE which create ISIS offshoots. Not by Israel.

          Who did more damage to the middle east countries Israel or ISIS? Israel. The USA use Israel to cause chaos and with that chaos serve both terrorist countries interests.

          Like I already say the middle east was always the most important region in geopolitics. Controlling the middle east in long term is the most power thing an imperialist power control

          Even the major wars (which are often instigated by Israel) are not fought by Israel.

          Still the USA participated in the war for their own interests which by default help Israel but it’s not Israel saying if you don’t do this we will do really bad things to you . Don’t think that Iran will not still attack Israel if the USA decide to go to war , they are not as safe as you thing

          Ukraine got $188 billion already. Israel is peanuts compared to Ukraine. Israel also has an arms industry which is competing with the US and taking their contracts.

          Like I already told you. A capitalist always want more and more. Like I also said backed by a source most of Israel arms industry is joint venture between the USA and Israel.

          Jason Hickel: Why a Liberated Palestine Threatens Global Capitalism

          Yeah they basically did that.

          So it has nothing to do with the Epstein files. Israel definitely do not want all Epstein files unredacted to be released. If any it is trump who could use Epstein against Israel in the case of I am done I will drag you to hell with me

          Anyway even if we assume all wars are really to support Israel the USA and Americans are responsible for what they vote for and done , the unwillingness to change their centuries old pathetic system and has systematic plan to committing war crimes