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I don’t really get the “trump draft dodging is good” thing. He did it for selfish reasons, and then some other poor soul got drafted in his place. He’s another chicken hawk and it shows how protected the wealthy are from the law. Maybe I’m taking it too seriously, but it feels like bad logic to me
i think draft dodging that war whether for totally selfish reasons or not was still ultimately a moral act
i dont care that he got to do it easier cuz he’s wealthy, or that he did it just to avoid getting skewered by a vietnamese guerrilla. ultimately he didn’t go there and kill kids and get that on his hands, nor proudly boast about it years later as a badge as an amerikkkan politician. like, yeah he’s not a moral guy and he didn’t do it on moral grounds but still like the draft dodging for me is at least absolutely not a sin, and at best it’s pretty based in result (one less footsoldier giving his life to spray agent orange and deform generations of children).
is it easy for me to say and maybe a bit hypocritical, yes, and i guess i can give the draftees some scarce leeway because there was some more plausible deniability in that period but like, i don’t hate him for draft dodging. other than that he has blood on his hands from all sorts of things and this is a rare exception methinks. willing to take back this position i guess but honestly, i still wouldn’t say draft dodging vietnam war in any case was morally Wrong (or, better for this explanation, Worse) compared to alternative of going there and complying with all of your orders
I just feel like it exemplifies a lot of our problems with the whole system. The rich declare the wars but don’t fight them themselves. I’m not saying it wouldve been right if they did (see: Rome, medieval Europe), just that it is a good example of everything wrong with the system.
Although I’m coming to realize I don’t particularly care for “morality.” I’m not a vulgar materialist or ultra-leftist, i just feel like it’s like arguing about whether it would be better for unstable atoms to do B+ or B- decay. You can’t just say it ought to decay in one way or another, but that it’d be better if it did, and for it to do so you need to put it in certain circumstances. If that makes sense