I’ve been seeing a bad line of thinking in leftist spaces and in myself and I feel the need to call it out.

The western left’s demonization of the class unconscious proletariat is a symptom of idealism that seems sadly acceptable in leftist social media spaces. Class consciousness is not an achievement to be proud of, you didn’t do it, it happened to you.

Labor aristocracy is not a “sin” of the western working class it is a weapon of the bourgeoisie. Unique material conditions are what lead each of us to class consciousness not some sort of moral/intellectual/educational supremacy. The limited class consciousness in the west’s working class is not an inherit flaw in the masses but a failure of the class conscious to conduct effective agitation. (the word “failure” is not a condemnation but recognition that we have been unable to succeed against the overwhelming power of the imperialist bourgeoisie.)

This extends to demonization of the troops. Yes members of the western armed forces actively benefit from imperialism and do horrific things supporting imperialism but they do this out of a response to their material conditions not because they are evil. That is not to say they are absolved of their crimes. It means many of them could be redeemable.

We have all had liberal and imperialist ideas that we now recognize are wrong. We must be willing to accept those who admit the faults of their past who are willing to fight for a better future. Anyone refusing to forgive comrades who admit to a flawed past is being dishonest about their own flaws. They are engaging in ideological moral supremacy. It is not a dialectical materialists position to refuse something changing into its opposite.

Again this is not a call to absolve the complicit but instead a call to remind us that we have all been complicit in some way and we are the proletariat not above them.

  • darkernations@lemmygrad.ml
    41·
    18 hours ago

    You’ve missed the point. The post is not for or against judging peoples morality. It is about understanding that morality is learned. It is a product of material conditions. So having superior morality does not make an Ubermench. Just like how a person who has good education or health isn’t superior to someone who is uneducated or has health issues.

    Labor aristocrats aren’t inferior to colonized peoples just because they get crumbs from imperialism. People are people. We all have blind spots and shortcomings but if we decide that some of faults are so bad we can deny there is a human underneath that is idealism not materialism. I’m not saying we should overlook faulty morality but we need to analyze it through a materialist lens.

    What in all of that allows to determine revolutionary potential? The supposed subjective inferiority/superiority inferred is besides the point; I am saying all that is secondary to material conditions - our subjective value judgement may be consequence of our relationships with all this but it is not the primary reason to determine anybody revolutionary potential from a marxist perspective.

    Put it bluntly, what is the material analysis for the revolutionary potential for US Veterans? What relation to property have you concluded to make the case?

    • Commiejones@lemmygrad.mlOP
      23·
      17 hours ago

      What in all of that allows to determine revolutionary potential?

      That is not what the post is about. I don’t know how else to say this.

      The post is about the tendency for some leftists to think their shit doesn’t stink because they have found Marx and Lenin. The belief that because they lucked out to be in the right places at the right times for communist agitation to have taken hold in their minds that they are the chosen ones. Supposed Communists who say “liberal” like a Proud Boy says “deg_n_rate” or say “troops” the way the kkk say “n___ers.”

      • darkernations@lemmygrad.ml
        42·
        17 hours ago

        If you don’t make the case then you don’t have a case and everything you said will then be apolgism for US Veteran support without a scientific basis.

        Getting indignated on the completely human response to these war criminals without making the materialist case we should supercede it is just moralism by another name. There is no neutrality about good or evil, or lack of morals or not; we determine all these things by praxis - we are not above it all.

        You’re asking for a supposed scientific neutrality to analysis where none such exists. And you can’t even give the case why all this supposed effort is even worth it.

        This stuff is obvious even without marxism. It is only confounding because of the class position as a westerner.