I’m torn on this. Everything feels like more and more capitulation. But at the same time, this administration is absolutely fucking up negotiations with the world and with China. Shooting themselves in both feet over and over again.
I think democrats should be filibustering every goddamn vote and slowing down the wave of fascism that we are drowning in. But I also think they should get the hell out of the way when their enemy is making a mistake.
Blocking an ambassador to China right now probably wouldn’t accomplish much other than offer up the dems as a timely scapegoat for all of the consequences of Trump’s disastrous trade relations.
We have 2 parties, the dems (center right) and the republicans (fascist)
All the politicians are paid by the same billionaires.
But the blue ones say they are my friend and the red ones do not.
It’s not like the guy they voted for is a rare qualified pick from the Trump camp.
It’s David Purdue, a failed pillow company CEO, as well as ceo for other textile companies. More recently he dabbled in politics as a Republican senator from Georgia, failed gubernatorial candidate, 2020 election denier, climate change denier, and generally an idiotic sycophant.
The textile experience gives him a small amount of plausibility as a choice, but everything else far outweighs that. Just another loser grifter in Trump’s orbit.God damn, how many more failed pillow company execs does he have left?
Broken link.
Who and for which position?
Hmmm, it’s like they’re all rich and know that in the end it’ll be fine for them under a fascist regime?
I’m not an American, but I have to give the Trump supporters they are right about one thing: the Democrats do not seem interested in fixing their problems. Trump’s just honest about it 🤷
It’s utterly baffling.
The Democrats fix the economic damage after every Republican administration. Reagan, W. Bush, Trump… going all the way back to Nixon and before.
This is how Democracy works. We had an election and America chose Trump. Hard to believe but it happened. America comes together to let that person lead until the next election, this is how America is supposed to work. It is sad that so many people don’t understand how the system should work.
America comes together to let that person lead until the next election, this is how America is supposed to work
After 4 years straight of former-President Trump actively campaigning on a platform built exclusively on vilifying the sitting President, it’s time for unity ya’ll.
The Republican party may have transitioned its entire platform into “fuck the democrats” and actively supported an insurrection but now that they’re in power again we gotta stand together behind the convicted fascist, because apparently that’s how democracy works.
Democracy is dead in this country. Don’t believe me? Strange. How odd that elections are rigged when Republicans lose, but democracy is alive and well when they win.
I never thought the election was rigged. Political rivals talking shit about eachother isn’t anything new. I’m not sure exactly what you are crying about but the election is over.
Oh, okay. Political rivals talking shit. That’s what happened on January 6th.
Just the President that you want everyone to support, talking so much shit that people died. You didn’t think it was rigged, but you want everyone to support the man who spent 4 years calling it rigged, constantly saying that democracy is dead and only he could “fix” it. The same man who personally sent his supporters to “fight like hell” and assault police and threaten congress to “fix” it.
It’s so funny how people like you are so willing to support things you disagree with.
I think everyone should support whomever wins the election as that is the will of the people. That is how democracy works. Whoever wins in 2028 I will do my part to support, that is my responsibility as a citizen that supports democracy.
Right, and when the President commits crimes, attempts to overthrow his own elections, and says “you won’t need to vote anymore” that’s still democracy working as designed. Totally responsible to support that. For democracy.
Yes. America chose him. He won the election. The citizens selected Trump. The voice of democracy has spoken.
Lol. Enjoy playing the violin as the titanic sinks, I guess.
Alright at this point we should just clean house everyone in executive, Congress and Judiciary needs to go
Or, hear me out, make sure people like Trump always lose in the future so they can’t initiate any appointments ever again.
Then maybe biden should have hired an AG who was interested in pursuing justice, instead of dragging things out so biden could run as second worst to trump again.
Imagine being a liberal right now lmfao You’re pissed at EVERYTHING and yelling at your allies while the people you’re telling them to vote for are supporting the very thing making you furious.
Fuckin’ awesome.
If we all showed up to vote blue then thwre would be no Trump appointments to be mad at.
All that voting Blue did in the past two decades was kicking the can down the road, while blocking aerious efforts to form a political power willing to bring the can back up the road.
Trump isn’t an anomaly. Trump is the symptom of a broken system that was deliberately broken further and further with bipartisan support. And we still see the Democrats staying at breaking things further and helping Trump instead of forming a proper opposition.
They still rather fight progressives like AOC and Sanders than fighting Trump.
There haven’t been 60 Democrat senators since 1979, haven’t been more than 50 in over 10 years. The most productive congress in the last 20 years was when the DNC plus caucusing IND had supermajority for only 72 days, and it gave us medicaid expansion, was a single IND vote away from Public Option.
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
jfc.
This is what primaries are for. If you vote up or don’t vote, it’s a vote for fascism.
primaries
Ha.
You pretending they do not exist does not change reality. Presidential is not the only race, nor is it even the most important overall
Pretending that the primaries (when they happen at all) are fair doesn’t mean they are.
The party went to court and successfully argued that they don’t have to run honest primaries. Anyone who suggests primaries as a means to end the entrenched conservative hegemony in democratic party leadership knows better and is gloating.
So your response is that you’d rather watch the country burn in hell than vote democratic to stave it off?
Anyone who suggests primaries as a means to end the entrenched conservative hegemony in democratic party leadership knows better and is gloating.
Fair? When did I say fair? They’re not fair. But, the votes in them are not rigged.
So your response is that you’d rather watch the country burn in hell than vote democratic to stave it off?
All criticism of your shitty worthless republican-lite party does not mean advocacy for voting for the slightly worse party it keeps trying to be.
Fair? When did I say fair? They’re not fair. But, the votes in them are not rigged.
Don’t need to rig the vote if you sue to keep challengers off the ballot and then decide not to hold primaries at all.
All criticism of your shitty worthless republican-lite party does not mean advocacy for voting for the slightly worse party it keeps trying to be.
,yes? that’s literally my issue. It’s advocating to not vote, which is russian propaganda driven and only serves to reduce real ability to fight fascism in favor of grandstanding online as a keyboard warrior.
Don’t need to rig the vote if you sue to keep challengers off the ballot and then decide not to hold primaries at all.
That is not a common practice. It happens, yes. But it’s not common
“Yea” votes included New Jersey’s Cory Booker, whose record-breaking speech on the Senate floor against Trump’s policies earlier this month seemed to inspire the rest of his party, as well as Illinois Senator Tammy Duckworth, a military veteran who has criticized the administration for firing military veterans from civil service positions." They talk shit to raise funds from the working class, then vote for MAGA so their corporate backers will pay them too.
mods have been deleting my comments that remind people that Biden and the Democrats gleefully committed genocide and lost the election for their refusal to even suggest they’ll stop it.
When will people wake up and realize the Democrats are not on our side, not the lesser evil? They exist to give us an illusion that someone is fighting on our behalf, they exist to pacify us, they exist to allow capitalism to turn us into wage-slaves.
They’ll take a knee with us, they’ll give record breaking speeches, they’ll march with us in the peaceful phases, they’ll be on the front line even. They’ll hold rallies and raise incredible amounts to “flight fascism”, and then they’ll step in line and vote to keep the wheel turning RIGHT.
And just to be clear, you think The Grifter Party cares about you? Sorry, Green - the Green party.
Sometimes I get their name and their actions mixed up.
Democrats are not on our side, not the lesser evil?
So what are you going to do? Not vote?
Them: Option A is evil Nazis, option B is nice Nazis.
You: So what are you going to do? Not vote?
Those are not the options.
mods have been deleting my comments that remind people that Biden and the Democrats gleefully committed genocide and lost the election for their refusal to even suggest they’ll stop it.
Why they are so threatened by AOC and Sanders, and the calls for the old guard to GTFO
I fully expect the DNC to launch a bigger underhanded attack against the both of them than the Republicans do.
Why they are so threatened by AOC and Sanders, and the calls for the old guard to GTFO
Both Sanders and AOC both support Israel. The progressive base may like them better than “the old guard” but they’re not exactly in love with these two. It’s a begrudging vote, not a happy one.
Hasn’t Sanders opposed Israeli military policy pretty publicly, including voting to block arms sales? [1] [2]
Didn’t AOC accuse Israel of committing genocide on the house floor? [3]
In what way do they support Israel? It hasn’t been my impression that they support genocide or American culpability in it.
They’ve only very recently begun to change their public opinion on it. Last year this time Bernie was catching heat for refusing to support a permanent ceasefire;
Senator Bernie Sanders’s refusal to call for a permanent cease-fire between Israel and Hamas has put him at odds with many of the same progressives […] ^1
Additionally, this is AOCs stance on Israel: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/ocasio-cortez-statement-first-anniversary-october-7th
As you can see, she strongly condemns Hamas, which is great. She strongly condemns Israel, and Netanyahu, which is great. And I totally agree with the entire statement all the way down until the last paragraph;
None of this was inevitable. And it can still be stopped. Hamas, Israel, and Hezbollah should agree to a lasting ceasefire in Gaza and Lebanon.
Hamas is a terrorist organization which was quite literally created by Israel by their systematic abuse of an entire group of people. There’s nothing about this entire situation that wasn’t inevitable. You can’t abuse a people for decades, encroach on their lives, livelihood, murder them, strongly police them, continually treat them like shit and sub-human and expect them not to retaliate. Much like the US is directly responsible for the situations leading to terrorist attacks against the US, Israel is also directly responsible for Hamas.
Even aside from all of this, her views on Israel again, just like Sanders are relatively new. Just last year she was about to be censured by other party members for being too soft on Israel ^1.
“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.” – Elie Wiesel
So yeah, it’s great that they’re just now coming around to the plight of Gaza and the Palestinians it’s not like they actually believe it. It’s all politically motivated. They’re beginning to understand that unless they condemn Israel they won’t be elected–which is pretty fucked up IMO.
So a lesser evil?
I mean, support for genocide is wholly evil, I don’t care what your other policies are. lol Evil is evil lil bro. There’s no such thing as a lesser degree of evil.
It would be the same if like, Donald Trump was a perfect candidate, but he’s also a sexual predator. That should immediately disqualify him, otherwise you’re supporting that behavior.
Bernie and AOC most closely align with my political viewpoints, but they’re also supporting genocide… If I support them, then I’m also supporting genocide. Is what it is.
If that pisses you off, then maybe talk to Bernie and/or AOC about their stance on Israel.
Yes. There are several recent instances where he’s “slamming” Israel. And then 3 decades where they’re best friends, including up to the end of 2024…
I get it. I too want this entire administration to burn, but at the same time, Perdue was a sitting Senator. A co-worker. Almost normal compared to Bondi or RFK Jr.
And this isn’t a cabinet member. It’s not like Perdue is going to make any real progress with China on anything.
China isn’t budging on shit.
Democrats reject this guy, a worse candidate is put forward next. Seems like a stupid hill to die on. They’re going to appoint somebody.
Edit: I didn’t know he’d be confirmed anyway. If true, then I agree a Democratic rejection out of principle would have been a better statement.
Let me get this clearly: because if they fight back, maga will be even nastier, so Dems did the right thing to save us from a worse outcome?
Well fuck me, I’ve been at unfair to them. I owe them an apology.
That’s not what I said. There are better ways to fight.
Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.
Chuck Schumer is abysmal and needs to step down, and he was wrong about the budget. But the essence of his argument has some truth - politics is a two-way street. In the rare case where there is a possibility of cooperation, that sets a better standard and will likely be more effective than endless partisanship.
Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.
This makes absolutely no sense, why not fight both?
Is there a fight limit you don’t want them to waste on small fries? Or is their energy limited due to exhaustion from all their paid appearances and campaigning tours.
Name one good reason why they shouldn’t be fighting ever single battle!
Why fight when (a) it’s not going to change anything and (b) winning the fight gets you a worse outcome.
If it isn’t going to change anything but there’s a reason to fight on principle, by all means. But fighting for its own sake makes you look stupid and immature.
Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.
Things centrists never say about progressives. Because centrists only have intentions of working with their republican buddies to accomplish their mutual goals.
I think you’re being understandably but uncessarily cynical for the purposes of this conversation.
I proudly call myself a far-leftist. Even a “woke” one. But victory for the ideals that drive us will not come from endless othering of those who we disagree with. Perfect is the enemy of the good, so the saying goes. I would say it’s now the enemy of even just a little bit better as opposed to so much worse.
With that being said, we should never compromise on expressing what we actually believe. I want universal basic income, guaranteed minimum income according to a livable wage, weath taxes, and much more aggressive income taxation of the 1% and 0.1%. I want universal healthcare, open borders, and end to private prisons. But fuck me if I won’t vote to make what social security we do have just a little bit better.
As politicians and lawmakers, we need to be the bigger party in the room that doesn’t stoop to their level.
I know right now things demand radical defence of democracy, but that doesn’t happen by politicians giving up what little power and platform they might have. They can go to work when they’re not out on the streets with the protestors.
I think you’re being understandably but uncessarily cynical for the purposes of this conversation.
Every time I think I’m too cynical, democrats prove me wrong. They don’t get to come back from supporting a genocide.
I proudly call myself a far-leftist. Even a “woke” one.
But?
But victory for the ideals that drive us will not come from endless othering of those who we disagree with.
Oh yeah. Wouldn’t want to other those people who carry swastika flags and chant “Jews will not replace us” after all, they’re the only demographic that matters to the democratic party, and they’re willing to throw all of us under the bus for a 1% chance at getting a single nazi vote. You’re bus fodder just like me and don’t you forget it. The femtosecond republicans express the slightest displeasure at your existence, you’ll be under the bus with all the disposables you don’t consider worth defending because it might other some contemptible nazi.
With that being said, we should never compromise on expressing what we actually believe.
With every betrayal, democrats converge on expressing what they actually believe.
I want universal basic income, guaranteed minimum income according to a livable wage, weath taxes, and much more aggressive income taxation of the 1% and 0.1%. I want universal healthcare, open borders, and end to private prisons.
There is no major party that does not fight against everything you claim to stand for here.
As politicians and lawmakers, we need to be the bigger party in the room that doesn’t stoop to their level.
We’re dealing with nazis. You don’t win over nazis by appeasement. You don’t win them over with magnanimity. They do not want to parlay. They want you dead.
I know right now things demand radical defence of democracy, but that doesn’t happen by politicians giving up what little power and platform they might have.
Then maybe they should stop giving up whatever power they have every time they have the opportunity to do so.
How would you deal with these Nazis and other fellow Americans who you disagree with? Let’s say you’re the new president and your party controls both houses of government.
Trump is allowing people to be disappeared to El Salvador. Would you do the same to these people you call Nazis? What about the 45 million or so people who voted for this shit?
I agree the political situation sucks. But solutions aren’t easy, and eventually, at the end of the day, we have to be united or there is only war and violence forever.
No, they’re not. What happened to Obama’s scotus pick proves you can gum up this process and prevent appointments. And you can do it without losing voters.
Democrats are choosing to aide the trump admin.
Nobody is voting for another year and a half. And hardly anyone for another three and a half years. Democrats need to pick the battles that matter.
Democrats need to pick the battles that matter.
And by an astounding coincidence, none do.
Plenty do. There is another budget vote in less than half a year.
Oh cool. Like the continuing resolution they caved on.
Cynicism like this is why humanity is doomed. Or am I misreading you and you actually think things can (if not will) get better?
Cory Booker—New Jersey
Chris Coons—Delaware
Tammy Duckworth—Illinois
John Fetterman—Pennsylvania
Ruben Gallego—Arizona
Maggie Hassan—New Hampshire
Tim Kaine—Virginia
Andy Kim—New Jersey
Angus King—Maine (independent who caucuses with Democrats)
Amy Klobuchar—Minnesota
Gary Peters—Michigan
Jack Reed—Rhode Island
Jacky Rosen—Nevada
Jeanne Shaheen—New Hampshire
Elissa Slotkin—Michigan
Mark Warner—Virginia
shamelessly copied off the article
We’re still counting fetterman as a Democrat? Aight.
Also wasn’t everyone fawning over Booker for the sit in DAYS AGO??
Gallego: We ditched Sinema because of shit like this.
One day people are going to realize this is just theatre. It’s a club with predetermined decisions, similar to WWE. None of them give a fuck about you.
People realized it over a decade ago.
So what shall we do about it?
Vote blue so much that they have to keep passing progressive reform like the always do when blue wins. They made the rules, all we need to do is make them play by them.
Vote blue so much that they have to keep passing progressive reform like the always do when blue wins.
If this is how you characterize the biden administration, you’re expecting people to be too easily content.
But if we vote/advocate third parties, or converse in conservative spaces or .ML, .Lemmygrad*, on Lemmy, we’re trolls or shills. 🤮
This is the time for third parties. I get why people were saying not to talk about them during the election but now is the time because it’s obvious that the Dems continue to not have a spine.
Absolutely agreed. And I’m not sure the better alternative to Reddit is a “federated” platform where the mods highest priority seems to delete comments that call the Democrats what they are: nice Nazis.
Blue MAGA
It was obvious every election cycle since FDR too. It’s past time for us to stop crossing oceans and moving mountains for those who won’t jump a puddle or molehill for us. Politicians, I mean. I’ll still cast my vote to help the “sane liberals”, conservatives, and marxists who would let me starve in the streets or drop dead in the fields while harvesting their food, or in their bathroom I may be cleaning at the time.
Not committing self harm isn’t equivalent to Moving Mountains etc. This is the whole problem with that standpoint. Yes the genocides that the United States Russia and China are committing are inexcusable. They were also not actually on the ballot. There was no one who stood a chance of getting elected that was going to make those better. But there was one that vowed to make things worse. And they won. Like many of us said they would. There is no single one group that deserves credit for that victory. But the margin of votes was with in single digit percentage. It wasn’t moving a mountain.
I’m not here to accuse you of being happy with the outcome. But can you admit that you might have been taken advantage of. That your sincere Ernest desire to see things fixed may have been manipulated and taken advantage of to your own detriment and the determent of people you care about. Because I can tell you 100% that fascists, leninists, and other groups absolutely we’re stirring the pot. Not caring about who got hurt.
I have no problem with anyone talking to them and trying to de program any of those groups. What I do have a problem with, are people repeating propaganda and being manipulated by these groups to get everyone hurt. We are here.
As an anarchist I wish to see all national parties disbanded and abolished. Democrat, republican, green, libertarian, vanguard. And you’re not wrong that a lot of this has been going on since and including FDR. He should have actually tried and hung everyone found guilty of being involved with the business plot. Instead of making backroom deals to get Social Security Etc passed. Something which the people he spared set about immediately after it’s passage, gutting it.
The sad thing is, that Democrats deny their role in the failure, just as many of the so-called people on the left who spent so much time attacking them. But as they say success has many fathers, while failure is a bastard.
You’re only worried about the immediate future. Which, yes, is bad. But many refusing to vote for the DNC are doing so because they’re complicit in enabling this bullshit political atmosphere where people are so tired of bullshit politicians who do shit like break a record to “stand up to trump” and then vote to confirm his appointee. So they either give up on voting altogether or are willing to vote for a literal dictator and the DNC’s response is to fight harder against progressives than it does trump. Then in response to losing runs someone whose message is “nothing will fundamentally change.”
So, yeah, if people had completely abandoned the DNC like they should have, maybe we wouldn’t have ever seen it get this bad. But they’re happy with it this bad. They get to pretend they care and keep making money. So yeah, there are plenty of people who refuse to vote for them because they’re happily helping to destroy democracy. (Including suing to remove 3rd parties from ballots, yay!)
Are you implying that the kidnappings torture and persecution are only short-term? Do you not understand that we will have to win back our basic rights at this point. Not just for our immigrant friends and family, but all minorities? That seems a really obtuse and uninformed viewpoint. Which I’m hoping it’s just a misunderstanding on my part. And that that’s not your actual stance. This shit is serious and not short-term. We will be suffering this for Generations.
I mean unless you have some Surefire non-vanguardist radical action in your pocket or something.
Literally just said I know it’s bad. Not implying it isn’t. I’m saying the DNC has been actively working towards this even being possible for years. Because they only need to run hitler -$50. And they’re happy with that. They would rather lose to Trump than lose any money. And that’s why people stop voting. And that’s why Trump is fucking even possible.
I’m just fucking tired of people defending the DNC. They’re just as big of a part of the problem as republicans.
The voters are as much to blame as the dnc. Stop trying to push all the blame on to them. So which is it and be clear. Am i only concerned about short-term shit. Or is this shit meaningful and you’re just flip-flopping wildly. Twisting in the wind trying to pin everything on Democrats and nothing on you or anyone else like you.
