It’s not like the guy they voted for is a rare qualified pick from the Trump camp.
It’s David Purdue, a failed pillow company CEO, as well as ceo for other textile companies. More recently he dabbled in politics as a Republican senator from Georgia, failed gubernatorial candidate, 2020 election denier, climate change denier, and generally an idiotic sycophant.
The textile experience gives him a small amount of plausibility as a choice, but everything else far outweighs that. Just another loser grifter in Trump’s orbit.God damn, how many more failed pillow company execs does he have left?
We have 2 parties, the dems (center right) and the republicans (fascist)
I’m torn on this. Everything feels like more and more capitulation. But at the same time, this administration is absolutely fucking up negotiations with the world and with China. Shooting themselves in both feet over and over again.
I think democrats should be filibustering every goddamn vote and slowing down the wave of fascism that we are drowning in. But I also think they should get the hell out of the way when their enemy is making a mistake.
Blocking an ambassador to China right now probably wouldn’t accomplish much other than offer up the dems as a timely scapegoat for all of the consequences of Trump’s disastrous trade relations.
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
jfc.
This is what primaries are for. If you vote up or don’t vote, it’s a vote for fascism.
primaries
Ha.
You pretending they do not exist does not change reality. Presidential is not the only race, nor is it even the most important overall
Pretending that the primaries (when they happen at all) are fair doesn’t mean they are.
The party went to court and successfully argued that they don’t have to run honest primaries. Anyone who suggests primaries as a means to end the entrenched conservative hegemony in democratic party leadership knows better and is gloating.
So your response is that you’d rather watch the country burn in hell than vote democratic to stave it off?
Anyone who suggests primaries as a means to end the entrenched conservative hegemony in democratic party leadership knows better and is gloating.
Fair? When did I say fair? They’re not fair. But, the votes in them are not rigged.
So your response is that you’d rather watch the country burn in hell than vote democratic to stave it off?
All criticism of your shitty worthless republican-lite party does not mean advocacy for voting for the slightly worse party it keeps trying to be.
Fair? When did I say fair? They’re not fair. But, the votes in them are not rigged.
Don’t need to rig the vote if you sue to keep challengers off the ballot and then decide not to hold primaries at all.
All criticism of your shitty worthless republican-lite party does not mean advocacy for voting for the slightly worse party it keeps trying to be.
,yes? that’s literally my issue. It’s advocating to not vote, which is russian propaganda driven and only serves to reduce real ability to fight fascism in favor of grandstanding online as a keyboard warrior.
Don’t need to rig the vote if you sue to keep challengers off the ballot and then decide not to hold primaries at all.
That is not a common practice. It happens, yes. But it’s not common
The Democrats never actually opposed fascism, they just invoked it because they knew it was unpopular. The problem of the Democrats is that you can’t constantly run on things you have no intention of following through on, without having voters stop believing you eventually.
The Democrats never actually opposed fascism, they just invoked it because they knew it was unpopular.
Yep, and Lemmy totally fell for it. Then turned around and shunned the people who refused to fall for it.
Lemmy is getting what they deserve for blindly worshiping the Democratic Party.
Third-party is the way to be free from this nonsense!
Hmmm, it’s like they’re all rich and know that in the end it’ll be fine for them under a fascist regime?
I’m not an American, but I have to give the Trump supporters they are right about one thing: the Democrats do not seem interested in fixing their problems. Trump’s just honest about it 🤷
It’s utterly baffling.
The Democrats fix the economic damage after every Republican administration. Reagan, W. Bush, Trump… going all the way back to Nixon and before.
Broken link.
Who and for which position?
Including Cory Booker… 🤷♂️ 🙄
Was everything he did recently just as performative as with MAGAts??
Way to put up roadblocks and speedbumps when it really counts Dems… Feckless Fucks. 🖕 🖕
so blocking the appointment of the U.S. ambassador to China, in a vote they can’t win looking at the numbers, helps the revolution how?
Because its not about winning, its about taking a stand.
You don’t give NAZI TRAITORS a single vote of support for ANYTHING. They are Nazis, they are the most corrupt and treasonous administration in American history, and any support is collaboration, even a single vote.
and how far should it be taken? shut down the government? occupy buildings?
It gets taken as far as required to crush MAGA, bring their treasonous, corrupt leaders to justice, and purge MAGA from our government, society, and the world.
MAGA is literally the same as the German Nazis of the 30s and 40s, and they will be operating death camps, just like their heros. They are already building a camp in Guantanamo Bay to hold 30,000 people, out of the sight of the media and the courts. They’ll send foreigners to El Salvador, but they’ll send Americans to Gitmo.
Are we supposed to wait until they have killed millions, and have people say “Gee, why didn’t someone stop them before it got that far?”
how will you vote?
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how will you vote?
Way more
how will you vote
I’ll vote just fine because I don’t live in a shithole country.
But Jesus Christ- Imagine being American and thinking voting was going to save you in 2025
All the politicians are paid by the same billionaires.
But the blue ones say they are my friend and the red ones do not.
Alright at this point we should just clean house everyone in executive, Congress and Judiciary needs to go
Or, hear me out, make sure people like Trump always lose in the future so they can’t initiate any appointments ever again.
Then maybe biden should have hired an AG who was interested in pursuing justice, instead of dragging things out so biden could run as second worst to trump again.
One day people are going to realize this is just theatre. It’s a club with predetermined decisions, similar to WWE. None of them give a fuck about you.
People realized it over a decade ago.
So what shall we do about it?
Vote blue so much that they have to keep passing progressive reform like the always do when blue wins. They made the rules, all we need to do is make them play by them.
Vote blue so much that they have to keep passing progressive reform like the always do when blue wins.
If this is how you characterize the biden administration, you’re expecting people to be too easily content.
Imagine being a liberal right now lmfao You’re pissed at EVERYTHING and yelling at your allies while the people you’re telling them to vote for are supporting the very thing making you furious.
Fuckin’ awesome.
If we all showed up to vote blue then thwre would be no Trump appointments to be mad at.
All that voting Blue did in the past two decades was kicking the can down the road, while blocking aerious efforts to form a political power willing to bring the can back up the road.
Trump isn’t an anomaly. Trump is the symptom of a broken system that was deliberately broken further and further with bipartisan support. And we still see the Democrats staying at breaking things further and helping Trump instead of forming a proper opposition.
They still rather fight progressives like AOC and Sanders than fighting Trump.
There haven’t been 60 Democrat senators since 1979, haven’t been more than 50 in over 10 years. The most productive congress in the last 20 years was when the DNC plus caucusing IND had supermajority for only 72 days, and it gave us medicaid expansion, was a single IND vote away from Public Option.
Cory Booker—New Jersey
Chris Coons—Delaware
Tammy Duckworth—Illinois
John Fetterman—Pennsylvania
Ruben Gallego—Arizona
Maggie Hassan—New Hampshire
Tim Kaine—Virginia
Andy Kim—New Jersey
Angus King—Maine (independent who caucuses with Democrats)
Amy Klobuchar—Minnesota
Gary Peters—Michigan
Jack Reed—Rhode Island
Jacky Rosen—Nevada
Jeanne Shaheen—New Hampshire
Elissa Slotkin—Michigan
Mark Warner—Virginia
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We’re still counting fetterman as a Democrat? Aight.
Also wasn’t everyone fawning over Booker for the sit in DAYS AGO??
Gallego: We ditched Sinema because of shit like this.
But if we vote/advocate third parties, or converse in conservative spaces or .ML, .Lemmygrad*, on Lemmy, we’re trolls or shills. 🤮
This is the time for third parties. I get why people were saying not to talk about them during the election but now is the time because it’s obvious that the Dems continue to not have a spine.
It was obvious every election cycle since FDR too. It’s past time for us to stop crossing oceans and moving mountains for those who won’t jump a puddle or molehill for us. Politicians, I mean. I’ll still cast my vote to help the “sane liberals”, conservatives, and marxists who would let me starve in the streets or drop dead in the fields while harvesting their food, or in their bathroom I may be cleaning at the time.
Not committing self harm isn’t equivalent to Moving Mountains etc. This is the whole problem with that standpoint. Yes the genocides that the United States Russia and China are committing are inexcusable. They were also not actually on the ballot. There was no one who stood a chance of getting elected that was going to make those better. But there was one that vowed to make things worse. And they won. Like many of us said they would. There is no single one group that deserves credit for that victory. But the margin of votes was with in single digit percentage. It wasn’t moving a mountain.
I’m not here to accuse you of being happy with the outcome. But can you admit that you might have been taken advantage of. That your sincere Ernest desire to see things fixed may have been manipulated and taken advantage of to your own detriment and the determent of people you care about. Because I can tell you 100% that fascists, leninists, and other groups absolutely we’re stirring the pot. Not caring about who got hurt.
I have no problem with anyone talking to them and trying to de program any of those groups. What I do have a problem with, are people repeating propaganda and being manipulated by these groups to get everyone hurt. We are here.
As an anarchist I wish to see all national parties disbanded and abolished. Democrat, republican, green, libertarian, vanguard. And you’re not wrong that a lot of this has been going on since and including FDR. He should have actually tried and hung everyone found guilty of being involved with the business plot. Instead of making backroom deals to get Social Security Etc passed. Something which the people he spared set about immediately after it’s passage, gutting it.
The sad thing is, that Democrats deny their role in the failure, just as many of the so-called people on the left who spent so much time attacking them. But as they say success has many fathers, while failure is a bastard.
You’re only worried about the immediate future. Which, yes, is bad. But many refusing to vote for the DNC are doing so because they’re complicit in enabling this bullshit political atmosphere where people are so tired of bullshit politicians who do shit like break a record to “stand up to trump” and then vote to confirm his appointee. So they either give up on voting altogether or are willing to vote for a literal dictator and the DNC’s response is to fight harder against progressives than it does trump. Then in response to losing runs someone whose message is “nothing will fundamentally change.”
So, yeah, if people had completely abandoned the DNC like they should have, maybe we wouldn’t have ever seen it get this bad. But they’re happy with it this bad. They get to pretend they care and keep making money. So yeah, there are plenty of people who refuse to vote for them because they’re happily helping to destroy democracy. (Including suing to remove 3rd parties from ballots, yay!)
Are you implying that the kidnappings torture and persecution are only short-term? Do you not understand that we will have to win back our basic rights at this point. Not just for our immigrant friends and family, but all minorities? That seems a really obtuse and uninformed viewpoint. Which I’m hoping it’s just a misunderstanding on my part. And that that’s not your actual stance. This shit is serious and not short-term. We will be suffering this for Generations.
I mean unless you have some Surefire non-vanguardist radical action in your pocket or something.
Literally just said I know it’s bad. Not implying it isn’t. I’m saying the DNC has been actively working towards this even being possible for years. Because they only need to run hitler -$50. And they’re happy with that. They would rather lose to Trump than lose any money. And that’s why people stop voting. And that’s why Trump is fucking even possible.
I’m just fucking tired of people defending the DNC. They’re just as big of a part of the problem as republicans.
The voters are as much to blame as the dnc. Stop trying to push all the blame on to them. So which is it and be clear. Am i only concerned about short-term shit. Or is this shit meaningful and you’re just flip-flopping wildly. Twisting in the wind trying to pin everything on Democrats and nothing on you or anyone else like you.
Absolutely agreed. And I’m not sure the better alternative to Reddit is a “federated” platform where the mods highest priority seems to delete comments that call the Democrats what they are: nice Nazis.
Blue MAGA
Yep! Lemmy loves to complain about the Democratic party, but as soon as ya mention third-party, you’re banned from everywhere for being a troll. Or Lemmy’s other fav insults: Nazi and Fascist. They’ll even say we’re paid to talk about third parties.
At this point, Lemmy is getting what they deserve. They’ll lost next presidential election to if they don’t wake the fuck up. :)
Lemmy: The time has come for a new third party! One made up of honest working class people, with infinity time and money between elections to campaign starting now. Oh also you need to go from 0% to 51% in one election cycle or just scrap the whole thing.
Yep, exactly this! lmao
When have people (outside isolated trolls) accused 3rd-party advocates of being shills? If the “Tanky Triad” only supported an end to “first-past-the-post” voting, that would be one thing. But when I visit, I’m inundated with propaganda championing fascists who want to ignore reality and bend the population to their will. That’s not liberalism, and it’s certainly not Progressive Politics…
When have people (outside isolated trolls) accused 3rd-party advocates of being shills?
Take a look at some older posts from before the election. It was a fucking witchhunt on third-party advocates. Every single one was accused of being a paid russian shill. Every. Single. One. lol
When I am accused of such things, I tend to doxx myself as Yevgeny Prigozhin. Claiming to be a primary source within Wagner has its uses.
Ha! I forgot about that dude! He was in the news a lot back in they day!
Of course. It is a closely guarded Russian secret that I escaped by parachute. The mighty Putin went through great effort to fake my death.
That’s how extreme some Lemmy’s were for sure! lol
some older posts
Do you have some examples? Like I said, all I experienced was disingenuous comments.
EDIT: My bad, I thought we were talking about people (plural) advocating against 3rd-party candidates in general. I still haven’t seen that. But yeah, Jill Stein is sus as fuck. You’re allowed to think otherwise, but pointing that out doesn’t make someone a shill.
Just type in “Jill Stein,” or “Green Party” in the search function, and pick c/politics from the months before November. That’ll be enough, because in those threads, even talks of other third parties, were madly downvoted and people were banned left and right. lol
That’s also why the other poster commented on it. Even in this very thread you see a lot of people bitching about third parties. But it’s way more acceptable to talk about it now than it was then. It was fucking crazytown here before the election! lmao
So… Still no sources. Not one…
EDIT: If you don’t think Jill Stein is a Russian asset after reading all the credible allegations, I don’t know what to tell you. Of course you’re allowed your opinion, but that’s still not evidence of people saying 3rd-party candidates in general are bad.
What? Did you even do that?
https://feddit.org/post/2903837
https://feddit.org/post/3522938
https://feddit.org/post/3041220
And that’s just a light start. Those comments were tame. The closer it got to the election, the more rabid people got if they found out u were voting third party.
I know dude, I was there. Back then, term “Russian shill” was used as much as “Nazi” and “Fascist” is now. Even the Dems here will probably admit things were heated. It was crazy how much mistrust and accusations where flying around. Russian shills, propaganda, bots, lots of people were accusing lots of people being those things.
Seriously, just look around at the threads in those time periods, besides the ones I posted. It was fucking crazy. You can even ask the mods here. They even mentioned how difficult it was modding things.
They even locked several posts down because the comments were getting too crazy.
Aside from Jill Fucking Stein, I still don’t see evidence that wide swaths of people were advocating against 3rd parties in general. Yeah, there are definitely credible allegations against her, and both Putin and the GOP absolutely took advantage of her spoiler status in the election. Maybe you think she sat at the table with Putin himself without knowledge of him using her?
This is how Democracy works. We had an election and America chose Trump. Hard to believe but it happened. America comes together to let that person lead until the next election, this is how America is supposed to work. It is sad that so many people don’t understand how the system should work.
America comes together to let that person lead until the next election, this is how America is supposed to work
After 4 years straight of former-President Trump actively campaigning on a platform built exclusively on vilifying the sitting President, it’s time for unity ya’ll.
The Republican party may have transitioned its entire platform into “fuck the democrats” and actively supported an insurrection but now that they’re in power again we gotta stand together behind the convicted fascist, because apparently that’s how democracy works.
Democracy is dead in this country. Don’t believe me? Strange. How odd that elections are rigged when Republicans lose, but democracy is alive and well when they win.
I never thought the election was rigged. Political rivals talking shit about eachother isn’t anything new. I’m not sure exactly what you are crying about but the election is over.
Oh, okay. Political rivals talking shit. That’s what happened on January 6th.
Just the President that you want everyone to support, talking so much shit that people died. You didn’t think it was rigged, but you want everyone to support the man who spent 4 years calling it rigged, constantly saying that democracy is dead and only he could “fix” it. The same man who personally sent his supporters to “fight like hell” and assault police and threaten congress to “fix” it.
It’s so funny how people like you are so willing to support things you disagree with.
I think everyone should support whomever wins the election as that is the will of the people. That is how democracy works. Whoever wins in 2028 I will do my part to support, that is my responsibility as a citizen that supports democracy.
Right, and when the President commits crimes, attempts to overthrow his own elections, and says “you won’t need to vote anymore” that’s still democracy working as designed. Totally responsible to support that. For democracy.
Yes. America chose him. He won the election. The citizens selected Trump. The voice of democracy has spoken.
Lol. Enjoy playing the violin as the titanic sinks, I guess.
