The Nazis were trying to kill the Russians and take their land. The Russians asked Russia for help. What was Putin to do, leave then for slaughter?

Russia signed the geneva and genocide convention it is an obligation to act against israel at least economically . As opposed to deal with the nazis in ukraine who did not attack another country

Did they? I thought they didn’t? Please refresh my memory with a link?

They decided to live in a country still doing settler colonialism . It is not something to be proud of and shouldn’t care about their safety.

I’m not sure they were aware of how badly this would turn out, although I’m not going to dispute this. Russian or Israeli, choose. The Russians in Ukraine weren’t given the choice. It was their land.

The mink agreement has no clause saying if Ukraine breach it, Russia has the right to invade. Russia could do economical pressure instead.

Once one party to a contract is in breach, the other party is not legally bound. What good are Russian sanctions when the West simply does what it wants? Including sanction Russia?

These two things may look similar, but they are not the same.

Purity tests? Projecting. You demand Putin be pure and support Nazi Ukraine. L oh fn l.

You haven’t shown Russian aggression post Reagan, other than Nazi Ukraine, which is righteous and good.

Everything else was a separate topic. I answered honestly anyway.

Nazi Ukraine never attacked Russia.

Neither did Israel, except in the 70s. They suffered badly, for it.

Like I said if nazis within Ukraine is not attacking foreign countries it is an Ukraine problem not a Russian one.

It was attacking Russians who never agreed to be Ukraine. We see it differently.

Why did it wait for 2021 to fight the neo Nazis?

Because it was seeking diplomatic solutions. Who first broke Minsk agreement? Russia was damned either way. They waited until they couldn’t.

Why Putin keep talking about shared identity with Israel…

1.5 million Russians in Israel, probably.

During Operation Protective Edge in 2014, Putin stated that “I support Israel’s battle that is intended to keep its citizens protected”

Putin is a long friend of Israel

Sharon said Putin is a true Israel’s friend. In 2011 Putin said “Israel is, in fact, a special state to us. It is practically a Russian-speaking country. Israel is one of the few foreign countries that can be called Russian-speaking. It’s apparent that more than half of the population speaks Russian”

During Operation Protective Edge in 2014, Putin stated that “I support Israel’s battle that is intended to keep its citizens protected”

We’re definitely in agreement, here. He should have hardened his heart against the 1.5 million Russians in Israel, which is, imo, probably why.

In August 2014, Russia began increasing fruit imports from Israel, after banning food imports from the EU, Norway, United States, Canada and Australia.

Any of those were a bargain with the devil. I speculate again it was for the Russian Israelis’ sake. Why do you think so?

Thanks for answering. I really appreciate it.

Of course I support Cuba. Long before I supported Russia. Back when I thought liberals stood for democracy. Prove anything wrong, rather than throwing what you consider insults. Show aggression done by Russia post Reagan.

Btw, it was Jimmy Carter who affirmed the One China Policy, Japan attacked USA, China and it was RUSSIA who brought them under control. USA dropped nukes for no reason. The only state, so far, to use nukes.

ARE YOU A BANDARITE? YES OR NO?

What even is the supposed progressive value we’re supposed to accept here?

Actual truth and unrevised history.

Should Russia be allowed to have buffer zones on the territory of neighboring countries like Israel claims is its right?

How many times did the USA promise Russia no NATO creep? So yes, considering these false promises, they certainly do. Look at what Israel is doing to its neighbors with US funding and support. Surely they wouldn’t do the same to Russia! 🤡🤢

Anticommunist revised history is the hell of a drug.

Thanks for misgendering me. And you’re going to say I support Nazi Israel after very well knowing my post history! If Russia had made any expansionist moves post-Reagan, you may have a point. Am I forgetting any? Refresh my memory.

The only dishonnest person here is you . I answered all your arguments while you refuse to answer questions that may change my mind.

Holy shit, I’ve answered all of them.

Omitting the fact that an ukranian identity before joining a russian kingdom and talking about Russisn history which is irelevant to me is refuting the idea that Putin invasion was mere self defense or to fight nazis and any other bullshit

Are you a Bandarite, yes or no?

The worst nazi right now is Israel when is Putin going to save palestinians instead of tsking pride that the ussr was one of the first country to recognize the terrorist state of Israel.

Israel isn’t on Russia doorstep. Nazi Ukraine is.

I’m asking you to refute or add missing context, for several hours now and you refuse. Please do so, because all I can fathom is dishonesty+Bandarism/emotions/some other ulterior motive, and I’ve gone out of my way for hours to try to understand your perspective, which you refuse to clarify in any form or fashion, rather just keep repeating yourself and circumlocute, which hardly inspires confidence in your motives.

Because honest history doesn’t happen in a vacuum.

I have no problem admitting Columbus was a filthy imperialist and my state was built on the genocide of aboriginal people, chattel slavery, Jim Crow. Please reciprocate, concede, or simply drop the matter. I’m busy.

Please copy and paste.

I don’t care if the truth comes out of his mouth. If there is truth, there are better sources from which to get it than someone who has built his entire life on deception and murder.

Surely the Western governments haven’t built entire lives and states by doing that. Nope. They didn’t lie about Israel/Palestine. Nor Iran. Certainly they didn’t lie about Russia. Surely they didn’t plan to colab with Hitler until he threatened their own interests. Surely they’re not lying about Russia.

Surely they must invade and embargo AES states since AES doesn’t work.🤡🤓

Thanks for the announcement that you’re blocking, I guess. 🤷‍♀️

This is clearly a source without interests in a revised narrative. /s

Timely episode on top, relevant to this thread. I’ll see if I can listen while pet bathing, then me bathing! Thanks.

PS sorry if you’re getting blown up with reports because of this. Not saying you are or aren’t.

Refute any portion of what he said.

Because he’s distasteful to us doesn’t make him a liar.

This is progressive politics because it discusses NATO expansionism, and Putin details verifiable history that most Westerners don’t know, revise, or refute deny out of hand, like you just did. Read the interview and credibly refute any portion. I’ll wait.

I wish we had a !remindme bot. I’ve waited valuable hours on these clowns (but hopefully anyone who honestly seeks truth will stumble across this and find it useful), so I’ll have to come back later, if I can remember.

Edit: is it to be found besides apple? I like Madeline Pendleton, and find her truthful and informative. I’ve just a huge backlog of things to read/hear/watch.

Your original claim:

Why did it wait for 2021 to fight the neo nazis? Why Putin talks about ukranian identity not existing claiming they are simply Russian? Why Putin keep talking about shared identity with Israel the worst type of nazis today?

Which the interview clearly addressed.

Then you claimed:

Because during Tucker interview Putin talked about how ukraniain identity do not exists and that they are simply russians. I don’t see why the logic do not apply to other former ussr territories

Refuted

Nowhere in that interview did Putin say anything of the sort. Nor was he building up armed forces anywhere. He very patiently and pragmatically recounted history all the way back to the first century bce, and without revision. Nor did he revise any part of history until the day of the interview. Reread it yourself and copy and paste where he denied Ukraine identity.

Then you claimed

He willingfully omitted part of history where Ukrainian ancestors had a distinct culture and history before becoming part of an Russian empire . Putin logic is it was part of Russia therefore it should always be part of Russia. He do not want a distinct independent Ukrainian identity . It is very similar rhetoric to Zionist logic of jews existed before Muslims and Arabs in the land therefore that land always belong to Jews . The only difference is Putin want russification of Ukrainians while Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians from the land.

Both Ukrainians and Russians originated from different branches of the Slavic tribes, but Ukrainians did not ‘break away’ from Russians. They are two distinct lineages that developed their own identities on different lands at the same time

Nor was he building up armed forces anywhere

I never claimed this

He didn’t leave it out at all. He said it. Plainly.

No you didn’t say it, you just claimed Russia wanted to invade their neighbors. They very clearly don’t, or would have already done it.

You then said

What’s the point of mentionning that Ukraine used to be part of Russia then?

To which I answered:

You’re moving goalposts, friend.

The point is explained in the interview, very clearly. Perhaps you can reread it as a refresher. The separatist movement, which you already agreed was stirred by outside interests, is the point of mentioning it. So I ask you, what is the point of your circumlocution?

Yes. Moving goalposts. I posted the full transcript, for anyone to read, including yourself. Perhaps your memory is faulty and you don’t care to admit it. Perhaps you have an emotional attachment to a fallacious argument. Perhaps you have an ulterior agenda. Who knows, because you refuse to address it and argue in circles. I’ve engaged in more than good faith and you’ve done nothing of the sort, despite several attempts to understand your wild, unfounded claims. If there were any valid reasoning, you’d state them. I’ve wasted enough time on your nonsense.

Yep. Those monuments also exist in other Western states. States that claim not to be fascist or expansionist, then clearly go on expansion adventures, personally or by proxy.

This whole thread is very bizarre, from moving of goalposts, to denying verifiable history, to outright rewriting history, and outright slander and liable, when there’s plenty of verifiable history to use as criticism. Very clearly, we’re living in Idiocracy, with more malice aforethought.