• gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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    13 hours ago

    Tbh pushing this narrative far and wide is going to do a LOT to defang the impact of any sort of false flag bullshit the orange regime might attempt.

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      11 hours ago

      Didn’t the FBI already say shit about bombing California?

      Given every accusation is a confession with the GoP I immediately figured they were going to do it themselves and blame Iran. And that California was chosen to try to scare it into line, much like other blue states have been targeted by the current administration.

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      11 hours ago

      not to put an extra tin foil on my tin foil hat.

      but now, given the US government, even if Iran did perpetrate a 9/11 style attack. I will assume it was a false flag attack by the US.

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          11 hours ago

          that’s why I have no doubt that any attack in the US will be done by the US.

          my point being, that by being that sloppy and untrustworthy, even is Iran did commit an attack, everyone will believe it was the US. not saying they will. just that the US government is fucked either way

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            10 hours ago

            Honestly that might be something that could actually incite real rebellion by state governments and another civil war - the federal government carrying out a false flag so ham-handedly that it’s brutally fucking obvious that it’s a false flag.

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              9 hours ago

              unless it’s near the midterms, and they will be cancelled for some “national security”/ “emergency crisis” reason or bullshit.

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                  59 minutes ago

                  like he cares. unless the military/police turns on him, he can quell any rebellion and keep the grift going.

                  tf do you think was the point of militarizing the police, turning ICE into the 4th largest military in America, and building massive concentration camps?

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            7 hours ago

            Is there a geographical reason to target California? Because, if anything, I imagine Texas would be the bigger target. California opposes Trump, Texas does not. Why would Iran want to target the enemy of its own enemy?

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              6 hours ago

              do you think there are “good"states and"bad states”?

              they are all the same, we started a war, and attacked civilian centers, we set the terms of engagement. random Californians are targets thanks to trump

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                4 hours ago

                Random Californians were put at risk thanks to Trump, obviously. I wouldn’t dare argue otherwise. My point has more to do with what I imagine the strategy of a state like Iran would be. I think your point stands, if the offensive were coming from China. Do you think Iran believes they’d stand a chance at accomplishing anything via an assault on US soil? If it were to happen at all, which I already believe to be quite unlikely, then I can only really accept it would happen with political precision. Iran would, if they were smart, try not to give Californians a reason to change their position on the war.

                do you think there are “good"states and"bad states”?

                Yeah, I do. There are states that are gerrymandered to hell, propagandized to hell, and serve the interests of a very small and damaging minority. That minority includes Trump and his enablers. You alternatively have the equally shit alternative states, and yeah… I picked that side.

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                  3 hours ago

                  in WW2, was there a distinction on which parts of Germany were more or less in favour of Hitler? When we carpet bombed Cambodia, did we looked into the regional polls? when we bombed Teheran, do they look at which neighbours and school girls were more or less in favour of the regime? When we endorsed a genocide in Gaza, did we ask to only target certain neighbours based on polls?

                  This “In hope they spare the blue states” is such an unimaginably entitled statement. Sounds like “But I am one of the good guys!!!”

                  No, the US has a long imperialist career of wars of aggressions and war crimes. You have personally benefited from them by having low fuel costs, you are not innocent, you might not have consented to this, but you are part of it, your taxes paid for it. If anything the US is the nation that need to be liberated.

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      12 hours ago

      That just means they’ll have to make it so big that it literally shocks the U.S. into believing they’re dealing with an existential threat.

      You know all that uranium you keep hearing about on the news…

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            11 hours ago

            This is such an annoying reply that I see everywhere. Yes, you need to treat a disease, but sometimes a single symptom can be the most threatening part of a disease.

            If I’m having a heart attack, I don’t need a diatribe about diet and exercise to fix the disease, I need CPR to fix the symptom.

            He may just be a symptom of a greater problem, but he’s a pretty big fucking problem by himself.

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              Well said. I don’t get the impulse for people to be like “there is no solution here. Trump gone won’t change anything” which is just stupid. Yes there is a huge systemic problem… but your metaphor here works well to explain why the take of the other person is not helpful.

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                7 hours ago

                All of it is helpful. This is just public discourse, and it’s important that we don’t become one dimensional in our understandings. Nobody here is going to make an argument so precise and well done that it’ll motivate any one of us to go to the local gun store and start target practice. Helpful in this context is being wise, flexible, understanding, … don’t let yourself become distracted, predictable, or blind.

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                  7 hours ago

                  I agree with you for the most part, but if your words are easily taken as “it’s hopeless” that is not good.

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              9 hours ago

              Yeah, well, you don’t take care of yourself after a heart attack, eventually you’re gonna die from one. We’ve had several heart attacks.

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            9 hours ago

            And yet he is the worst president in history. Are we to give up because the corrupt system and idiotic public, both of which give him power, exists?

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      12 hours ago

      what’s the difference? the orange pedophile couldn’t care less about public opinion and it’s clear by now Americans will not mount an opposition of any significance at this point