-A few days ago, a moderator on Digital Art banned me for supposedly posting “furry” (anthropomorphic animal) art. My works are based on yokai characters (Japanese mythology), kemonomimi (humans with animal ears and tails), and beasts (normal and mythical animals). Nothing falls into the furry category, which is exclusively for anthropomorphic animals. And it should be clarified that I have been posting in that community for months without any warning or comment about my works. I tried to contact her through comments in another community she moderates (I barely use Lemmy to post, and I’m not going to download external apps to open chats just for this, plus I don’t speak English), but she decided to delete them and not speak to me.
(I won’t get into a discussion about this; if you don’t believe me, just look up the terms mentioned. Labeling everything as furry simply because it has an animal percentage is pure ignorance, and I’m fed up with the topic because I’ve explained and shown it a thousand times to some stubborn people. Please don’t try to convince me to use the word “furry” as something universal, because it’s NOT, and I know what I draw and what I don’t.)
The “Modlog” fallacy: You yourself admit that you use Photon to see the logs clearly. This confirms my point: Lemmy only shows what’s public to the average user, not what you control. Even I understand that simple explanation and see the error, because Photon isn’t for public use on the platform without being a moderator. Furthermore, you admit to having the power to unban someone the whole time, and you didn’t use it. You probably didn’t even mention that you got into trouble because of moderator X, and you didn’t tell that moderator about the issue, even though they’re active in the community, as I saw a moment ago. And since they’re only active in the community where I was banned, I can’t contact them through a comment; otherwise, I would.
Confirmation of timing: You just confirmed that the logs show the time of the action (the ban), not the creation of the post. This proves I was right all along: the ban happened weeks ago. My confusion, which I already mentioned in my other comment, stemmed from the mistake of continuing to show my drawings and then disappearing.
The gaslighting of the “misunderstanding”—that everything is a “language misunderstanding”—you continue to underestimate my knowledge, even the most basic and obvious, but you don’t take into account the fact that I research what you tell me. The misunderstanding was seeing my drawings untouched less than a week ago; the lack of definition and prejudices you have in art are not a “misunderstanding.” You impose it and don’t appeal to complaints. It’s a condescending way of saying, “It’s not that I’m lazy, it’s that you don’t understand English and you got confused.”
“If you’re going to come back, you’ll get banned; if you’re not going to come back, why do you want the unban?”
The reality: It’s about cleaning up something I didn’t even do. The ban is an unfair stain based on a lack of understanding of an art concept that doesn’t apply to mine. Demanding an unban means demanding they acknowledge that the sanction was a technical and artistic error. It’s not just a whim; it’s about the dignity of defending my art and myself.
Go to https://phtn.app/ and login, everyone can use this.
I don’t have any more words to try to explain myself and will retract myself from this conversation because it’s draining me mentally to absolutely zero.
If you want acknowledgement that this was an error take it up with @3D@lemmy.world who was the mod who banned you, I’m out.
That’s a “bureaucratic trap.” Sending me to an office you know is locked and whose key you have in your pocket. It’s an incredibly cynical move: someone offering a solution (“talk to them”) knowing full well that the platform doesn’t have a working direct messaging (DM) system, I’m not going to use external apps, and I can’t post in a community where I’m banned.
It’s the equivalent of telling me, “If you want me to put you in handcuffs, go talk to the guards on the other side of that locked door.” You’re literally the only one I could contact, and you ignored me, even though you could have told your “colleagues” that someone wants to communicate but can’t because of the ban. You’re the only one I contacted because you’re in communities I can visit. The other moderators are sitting pretty with an unfair warning that I never violated, and it’s their ignorance that caused this problem. “This is exhausting,” of course it’s exhausting, but you yourself keep dragging this out even though you still have the title of moderator. It’s incredibly ironic that you and the moderators who have the power to end everything with two clicks, complain of being tired in front of the person who has had to research, debate with 40 people and defend their artistic identity against a wall of ignorance for days. Do you think I didn’t get a headache a few days ago arguing with so many incompetent people who think they own a term they misuse and judge my work based on that ignorance? Everything could have been solved in two clicks, but no, they prefer to keep justifying their inability to listen to their users, instead of providing a real solution called listening without causing more problems.
I added you as a mod to a useless community, go check the modlog on photon now. It’s a well known issue that @Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com is unaware of where people who don’t mod communities can’t see mod names in the mod list on some servers. Since I added you to a community as a mod you should be able to see the list now and the user details on exactly who banned you.
This is confusing and I really don’t know why Lemmy devs added this restriction into Lemmy at all but it’s an easy one to get around.
I understand your intention and I appreciate it, truly, but it doesn’t help the problem because I’ve known for a while now (as shown in the Modlog screenshots) who’s responsible for the ban. And of course, my point is that I can’t contact them because they’re only active in Digital Art (the community I was banned from). I can’t comment on their posts, and I insist, Lemmy doesn’t have secure direct messaging. Even if I wanted to contact you to chat, the only way would be to register on those external apps I mentioned, Element.io or Matrix, which I won’t do. And if I did, I already know how they’d think of me, considering how they treated me.
If I wanted to talk to you, my message would get lost.
I just wanted to clarify about Lemmy’s DM system. When you send a DM to someone (like someone named Mark), the only ones that can see it are the admins (Mark’s admin and your admin) and you and Mark. In social media like facebook, twitter, tumblr, reddit, deviant art, etc. it is the same only now it is you, Mark, and the entire moderation teams on those social media platforms that can see the messages. “Secure” (seguro) in the message you are seeing means “end to end encrypted”, so that only you and Mark can see the messages. This is only possible in Matrix, Signal, Simplex, and XMPP. I am not aware of any popular social media platforms that have end to end encryption for DMs. Even WhatsApp and Telegram are not really trusted. If facebook had to turn over data on you, that would include all of your messages because facebook can read all of your messages on facebook’s server, facebook is not secure. People are telling you to use Lemmy’s DM because unless you are saying something sensitive (like your real name/address/bank/etc.) while talking to the mod that banned you, you will be fine, it is like sending a message on any other social media. When I make this comment, everyone in the fediverse can see it, but if I sent you a DM, only me, you, my admin team, and your instance’s admin can see it. Your message will not get lost.
I know it can be confusing at first, but you are only banned in one community on one server, there are many other communities you can interact with that will appreciate your art.
Your message would not be lost, it recommends usage of Element.io because Lemmy messages aren’t end to end encrypted. That doesn’t mean the message will be lost it just means admins can see it. That’s not a huge drawback though since since the communications being exchanged with the mod are not sensitive data. Just inquiry about moderaiton.
I sent this to you as a private message to demonstrate that messages go through and do not get lost.
Uh… Why me? I don’t know what to say about that.
you were upset you didn’t have access to the tool that other user was using to audit and demonstrate what was going on. @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com just gave you access to those tools. i’m pretty sure based on my own experience with photon it would have already worked, but now it will work guaranteed.
no one is trying to hide or obfuscate anything. lemmy just has some unintuitive UI behaviors on the default UI
A thank you would be nice, since I helped you fix the issue about not being able to see the modlog details.
tywele has been a goddamn saint in this thread considering how you’re acting