The soviet union was not an “extractive empire.” As the soviet union was not dominated by finance capital, it had no reason for doing so in the first place.
Housing was guaranteed in the soviet union, and outside of wartime the famine in the 1930s was the last major famine.
China does have tons of political science majors. In fact, you can get a degree in Marxism in China. The fact that the majority of people support the system points towards the effectiveness of said system.
Central planning worked incredibly well in the soviet union, and continues to work well in the PRC today (and other socialist countries). Trump making decisions is not central planning.
I recommend you start actually looking into how socialism functions, because you’ve been consistently wrong this entire thread.
Regarding 1: Operation Gladio, combined with the west flooding these areas with cash during shock therapy to buy up all of the industry and thoroughly eliminating any left-wing opposition to the new imperialist plunder is why.
Regarding 2: I do understand economics, and I do know what I’m talking about here. I suggest you read Is the Red Flag Flying? Political Economy of the Soviet Union. The soviets had a socialist mode of production and distribution that resulted in tremendous economic development everywhere, and did not operate on economic extraction from member-states. In fact, the opposite of what you describe often happened, with the central soviet union helping develop underdeveloped areas.
Regarding 4: Nobody made the point that the name of a country determines if it is actually democratic. I’m certain that you aren’t taking scholarly sources seriously now, considering I recommended Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. Democracy in socialist countries involves a combination of electoral politics and consensus-building, called consultative democracy. It’s been different in every socialist country. I suggest you start taking your claims more seriously, right now you’re ignoring scholarly works because they disagree with you.
Regarding 5: That’s not how propaganda works. The people of China support their system because it’s genuinely democratic (see Roland Boer’s textbook), and because the CPC consistently delivers excellent results. Policy comes from the people, is refined by the CPC, then released to the public for feedback, then put into action. Overall, this system has resulted in over 90% of the population approving the government, which is shown to be consistent and accurate.
Regarding 6: Copyright does not matter, and you still haven’t addressed that socialist countries have pioneered sciences and technology. For example, China is at the forefront of nuclear technology and production.
Regarding 7: This is utter nonsense, again the USSR invented the world’s first mobile phone and cell network for it. They invented many things even without the profit motive, because the desire to improve your existing conditions continues even into socialism. In capitalism, engineers are overwhelmingly paid wages to create new things and do not recieve royalties, only the owners do, yet creation happens in both systems. Moreover, without the profit motive, products are designed to fulfill needs, not just profits, which means problems like enshittification do not happen. As for famine, central planning ended famine in countries where this was common, resulting in doubling of life expectancies:
If you aren’t going to even engage with scholarly sources proving you directly wrong, why are you responding?
This is an absolute firehose of lies.
The majority of people that lived in the soviet union want it back. The establishment of socialism was done by choice, and its dissolution was devastating.
The soviet union was not an “extractive empire.” As the soviet union was not dominated by finance capital, it had no reason for doing so in the first place.
Housing was guaranteed in the soviet union, and outside of wartime the famine in the 1930s was the last major famine.
China and the DPRK are democratic, see Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. The vast majority of the people in China believe China is democratic, and China is now one of the top countries in electrification and combatting desertification. You’re relying on information from decades ago, and mind you they produced for the rest of the world. Pollution per capita based on consumption has always been far higher in western countries.
China does have tons of political science majors. In fact, you can get a degree in Marxism in China. The fact that the majority of people support the system points towards the effectiveness of said system.
The sciences absolutely flourished in the soviet union and other socialist countries. That does not mean they did not make mistakes from time to time, but the fact of the matter is that they went from semi-feudalism to space in half a century. Many incredible inventions, including the mobile phone, were first invented in the USSR.
Central planning worked incredibly well in the soviet union, and continues to work well in the PRC today (and other socialist countries). Trump making decisions is not central planning.
I recommend you start actually looking into how socialism functions, because you’ve been consistently wrong this entire thread.
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Regarding 1: Operation Gladio, combined with the west flooding these areas with cash during shock therapy to buy up all of the industry and thoroughly eliminating any left-wing opposition to the new imperialist plunder is why.
Regarding 2: I do understand economics, and I do know what I’m talking about here. I suggest you read Is the Red Flag Flying? Political Economy of the Soviet Union. The soviets had a socialist mode of production and distribution that resulted in tremendous economic development everywhere, and did not operate on economic extraction from member-states. In fact, the opposite of what you describe often happened, with the central soviet union helping develop underdeveloped areas.
Regarding 3: People weren’t guaranteed housing by putting them in prisons. Regarding the legal system of the USSR, I suggest you read Russian Justice. Housing was guaranteed by mass-producing housing units and strong central city planning.
Regarding 4: Nobody made the point that the name of a country determines if it is actually democratic. I’m certain that you aren’t taking scholarly sources seriously now, considering I recommended Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. Democracy in socialist countries involves a combination of electoral politics and consensus-building, called consultative democracy. It’s been different in every socialist country. I suggest you start taking your claims more seriously, right now you’re ignoring scholarly works because they disagree with you.
Regarding 5: That’s not how propaganda works. The people of China support their system because it’s genuinely democratic (see Roland Boer’s textbook), and because the CPC consistently delivers excellent results. Policy comes from the people, is refined by the CPC, then released to the public for feedback, then put into action. Overall, this system has resulted in over 90% of the population approving the government, which is shown to be consistent and accurate.
Regarding 6: Copyright does not matter, and you still haven’t addressed that socialist countries have pioneered sciences and technology. For example, China is at the forefront of nuclear technology and production.
Regarding 7: This is utter nonsense, again the USSR invented the world’s first mobile phone and cell network for it. They invented many things even without the profit motive, because the desire to improve your existing conditions continues even into socialism. In capitalism, engineers are overwhelmingly paid wages to create new things and do not recieve royalties, only the owners do, yet creation happens in both systems. Moreover, without the profit motive, products are designed to fulfill needs, not just profits, which means problems like enshittification do not happen. As for famine, central planning ended famine in countries where this was common, resulting in doubling of life expectancies:
If you aren’t going to even engage with scholarly sources proving you directly wrong, why are you responding?