• atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
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    7 hours ago

    For sure. Women and LGBTQ people in particular find the morality police to be very reasonable when they’re being beaten in the streets and arrested.

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            Iran Lures Transgender Foreigners for Surgery but Forces Operations on Locals - The New York Times https://share.google/EthlZRgk3jyX2OH6V

            For 40 years Iran has performed more gender transition surgeries than many other nations, largely a result of pressuring gay and gender-nonconforming citizens to undergo unwanted operations or risk the death penalty.

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              27 minutes ago

              It is amazing how you people fall for NED propaganda every. single. time.

              Iranhr.net, the only claim for the death penalty being applied to LGBTQ people in Iran (which is weird since all of Iran’s laws are online, if it were real, you’d think they’d just link the official government site) is an Organization founded, funded, and operated by the National Endowment for Democracy; an organization founded by active CIA members, only hires CIA members and ‘candidates,’ and funds such nonsense reporting as ‘The Uyghur genocide that no uyghur has ever reported experiencing,’ and ‘Why every democracy that doesn’t support the united states is actually a fake democracy hiding a dictatorship.’

              On top of this they are the ONLY source used by the UNHRC’s report linked in the article. Yes I actually clicked through and read the sources.

              So is it more likely that a culture with a history of gay and trans acceptance older than the concept of white skin did a 180 in the last 60 years, especially given Shia Islam is NOT a sect that punishes LGBTQ people… or did the CIA-Backed NGO make shit up to make you hate a country in order to justify war, sanctions, and continual destruction of civilian life at the behest of its corporate and ideologically opposed owners?

              Which is honestly the simpler more likely answer? The most evil empire on Earth that has a 240 year history of lying to its populace to do unpopular things in pursuit of profit doing just that… or a country more progressive (in this specific regard) than the US was until 2015 doing a 180?

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            5 hours ago

            treated as women

            Yeah, about that…

            You’re just racist.

            What’s race have to do with anything? It’s a theocracy with morality police and you’re defending it like it’s some bastion of freedom and liberty.

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              5 hours ago

              It’s not a bastion of freedom, but it is better than the US and UK and especially Israel at this one category that you incorrectly said it wasn’t.

              That was called a correction.

              As far as race, you people don’t tend to know anything about Iran but you lump it in with Arab and Muslim culture and assume all things true in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Dearborn Michigan must be in common with Iran because they’re all the same right?

              Nothing in islam is anti-lgbtq. Nothing in Arab or Persian culture is anti-lgbtq. There are some states that have rules banning it, Iran isn’t one of them.

              Hell the ‘morality police’ that you israelis call it don’t even exist across the country. Each region has its own rules and the rules aren’t universal, much less universally enforced. Women aren’t forced to cover in general, but muslim women don’t have to cover in Tehran whereas Umira they do. And that’s awful that region is like that, but pretending it’s the whole country because you’re too lazy, too stupid, too racist, or all of the above to even try to understand a country you’re bombing is ridiculous.

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                It’s not a bastion of freedom, but it is better than the US and UK and especially Israel at this one category that you incorrectly said it wasn’t.

                Well, since you want to get into regional differences, that very much depends on which US state you live in. Many absolutely allow one to change their gender - even to an ‘X’ for non-binary. There are even anti-discrimination laws in place as well.

                As far as race, you people don’t tend to know anything about Iran but you lump it in with Arab and Muslim culture and assume all things true in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Dearborn Michigan must be in common with Iran because they’re all the same right?

                Did you just… “You people” me? You don’t even know what “people” I am. You’re fighting a straw-man now and trying to make it against “me” rather than the topic. I get it.

                Nothing in islam is anti-lgbtq. Nothing in Arab or Persian culture is anti-lgbtq. There are some states that have rules banning it, Iran isn’t one of them.

                Neat. It doesn’t matter. In Iran Islam says what a very select group of people say it says. Like in the Catholic church - the Bible doesn’t matter, it says whatever the Pope says it says. It’s like that in all religions and there is enough variance in all religions that anybody can say “X isn’t against that” and also “X is for that” at the same time.

                Hell the ‘morality police’ that you israelis call it

                … I’m sorry, what? Who’s the racist now?

                Hell the ‘morality police’ that you israelis call it don’t even exist across the country. Each region has its own rules and the rules aren’t universal, much less universally enforced. Women aren’t forced to cover in general, but muslim women don’t have to cover in Tehran whereas Umira they do. And that’s awful that region is like that, but pretending it’s the whole country because you’re too lazy, too stupid, too racist, or all of the above to even try to understand a country you’re bombing is ridiculous.

                So just like you’re doing with the US?

                It may not be universal - but the bar is so much lower. In the US (even the worst parts of it) no woman is called “brave” for showing her face in public or on a YouTube video.

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                  So again with your ignorance; no woman is called brave for showing her face in public in Iran. You’re thinking of the Burka, which IS NOT A PART OF MUSLIM OR IRANIAN CULTURE AND ISN’T IN IRAN.

                  This is why I used the term ‘you people.’ It doesn’t matter what colour you are. You fell for israeli propaganda and culture war nonsense. As you people always seem to do.

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                    2 hours ago

                    Ah - you are right - I do confuse the hijab and the burka sometimes. It’s hard to keep track of how the different middle eastern nations subjugate women.