Seems like this instance needs to define what ‘progressive politics’ are. From my perspective, US electoral methods are currently constructed in a way where ‘leftist’ ideas are simply not allowed to advance. Like, yes Platner is guilty of war crimes but he is the less worse candidate, so sure vote him in and then move on and do the real work of community building, organizing, unionizing, and building a powerful labor bloc that is not beholden to any political party. Elections will not save us.
No, not at all. I’m saying that the likelihood of getting a ‘progressive’ candidate on a ballot is extremely unlikely. I’m also saying that ‘politics’ and specifically ‘progressive politics’ is far more than just elections. I’d contend that most ‘governance’ is done by unelected government workers. I’m saying that political candidates dont matter as much as us building our own communities and networks. I’m saying that arguing over which candidate would fuck us over the least is largely a waste of time. Progressive politics, in practice, should devote less time to electoralism and more time to developing their communities - government be damned.
You are misinterpreting my comment, and you seem to be trying your best to antagonize. I wrote, pretty explicitly, that I don’t believe in him. I don’t believe in any candidate… except maybe Claudia de la Cruz. I’ll repeat again: Progressive politics is more than just elections. Productive discussion - even in small forums like this - are far more useful than arguing about a candidate in an election that I would guess that none of us here can even vote in.
My bad I misread your comment you are correct. Still it’s important to call out the Platners of the world because they exist to funnel people’s energy into a false goal.
Seems like this instance needs to define what ‘progressive politics’ are. From my perspective, US electoral methods are currently constructed in a way where ‘leftist’ ideas are simply not allowed to advance. Like, yes Platner is guilty of war crimes but he is the less worse candidate, so sure vote him in and then move on and do the real work of community building, organizing, unionizing, and building a powerful labor bloc that is not beholden to any political party. Elections will not save us.
An unrepentent mass murderer Nazi is a progressive to you?
No, not at all. I’m saying that the likelihood of getting a ‘progressive’ candidate on a ballot is extremely unlikely. I’m also saying that ‘politics’ and specifically ‘progressive politics’ is far more than just elections. I’d contend that most ‘governance’ is done by unelected government workers. I’m saying that political candidates dont matter as much as us building our own communities and networks. I’m saying that arguing over which candidate would fuck us over the least is largely a waste of time. Progressive politics, in practice, should devote less time to electoralism and more time to developing their communities - government be damned.
Platner is a full on trained actor op caught lying multiple times. You don’t believe in him. You just want to believe in him and trick yourself.You are misinterpreting my comment, and you seem to be trying your best to antagonize. I wrote, pretty explicitly, that I don’t believe in him. I don’t believe in any candidate… except maybe Claudia de la Cruz. I’ll repeat again: Progressive politics is more than just elections. Productive discussion - even in small forums like this - are far more useful than arguing about a candidate in an election that I would guess that none of us here can even vote in.
My bad I misread your comment you are correct. Still it’s important to call out the Platners of the world because they exist to funnel people’s energy into a false goal.