Ramsey Khalid Ismael — better known as Johnny Somali, the infamous American streamer arrested in Japan, Israel, and South Korea for his provocative behavior — has been imprisoned in South Korea.
  • partofthevoice@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    2 days ago

    I not once suggested the prison was similar to a concentration camp in content. That’s the strawman argument. I suggested your justification wasn’t justifiable, and offered a clear example as to how. What something is built for hardly has any capacity to say whether it’s the right choice or not.

    It’s sounds like a beautiful philosophy you have. But it’s just not applicable to how the world looks like.

    I beg to differ. My philosophy is about what we are deep down. You can’t escape what you are deep down. To me, it looks like the world reflects my philosophy a lot more fundamentally than any other claim I’ve seen here.

    Yeah well he is in a constant state of becoming an even bigger asshole.

    Yeah and if you think prison resolves that, you’re doing a lot of wishful thinking.

    • Atomic@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      2 days ago

      I beg to differ. My philosophy is about what we are deep down. You can’t escape what you are deep down. To me, it looks like the world reflects my philosophy a lot more fundamentally than any other claim I’ve seen here.

      So if we can’t escape what we are deep down, and plenty of people are monsters deep down. Real assholes that enjoys fucking with others for their own entertainment. Then locking them up must be the optimal solution for everyone else’s safety.

      You just said it yourself no? Can’t change what they are. Which is a contradiction to what your said earlier about no one being who they were, but who they’re becoming.

      So, can we become something else, or can we not escape who we are? Which one is it?

      Yeah and if you think prison resolves that, you’re doing a lot of wishful thinking.

      I don’t think that. I have no idea if it’s going to resolve it or not. Quite frankly I don’t care. You can’t help someone that doesn’t want to be helped. What I do know, is that prison is keeping him out of civilised society. Where he belongs.

      You offered no example at all as to how my justifications are out aren’t justifiable. You asked if I would use the same argument on concentration camps because they were built for a reason to. Suggesting that I seem to think just because something is made for a reason it is inherently justified. That’s the strawman. You take my words and try to put them into your own irrelevant context about actual nazi concentration camps.

      • partofthevoice@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        2 days ago

        Brother, you completely take what I say out of context. You redefine what I mean by “deep down,” you suggest that Im proposing strawman arguments while doing exactly that yourself, … this is exhausting. Our conversation isn’t productive and I’m done trying. Have a good day.

        • Atomic@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 days ago

          You gave no explanation what so ever to what you mean by deep down. So I don’t know what alternative meaning you have for “deep down”.

          Good luck

          • partofthevoice@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            2 days ago

            Actually I did. You must have missed it, being too busy trying to convince yourself that you’re right.

            Yeah, actually. I don’t believe in essences. Under my personal philosophy, we humans are more like information perturbation machines with extreme sensitivity to initial conditions. It’s close to saying you aren’t anything except the uniquely weighted combination of all your prior experiences, having been processed through the human scope of awareness and memory (if distinguishing the two is even fair here).

            That said, nobody is nothing except “just a giant asshole.” I mean that physically, you can’t. You’re stuck in a constant state of becoming something, not being something, which is a necessary consequence of having your human awareness.

            “Deep down” refers to a fundamental nature of what humans are. If you want to debate my perspective, go for it. To claim I never gave a perspective is just doing the same thing you’ve been doing this whole time — talking shit.

            • I never proposed a strawman argument. My point about concentration camps were validly pointing out that your logic isn’t generalizable. In effect, you contradict yourself on the merit of what sounds correct.
            • I also provided a procedural explanation for “deep down.” You then contort that into a baseless categorical statement about how some people are “monsters” deep down, completely missing my argument.
            • You pretend that I’m contradicting myself with your false equivalency between my statements of “always becoming something” and “can’t change what you are deep down.” If you actually tried to understand, you’d see that my points were compatible. They actually complement one another.

            I can go on, but it is oh so exhausting. Thanks for wishing me luck.

            • Atomic@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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              1 day ago

              So I didn’t redefine what you meant with “deep down”… since you gave an essay to tell me it means exactly what I thought you meant.

              And I do love your entire “nuh uh” wonderful

              • partofthevoice@lemmy.zipEnglish
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                1 day ago

                In any case, I think we’re on the same page about a few things.

                You can’t help someone that doesn’t want to be helped. What I do know, is that prison is keeping him out of civilised society. Where he belongs.

                Agreed, and I would just point out that we can do a lot more while they’re kept away from civil society. Personally, I appreciate the difference between what prisons are and what I think reform should look like (warning, I may be biased about this [lol]). I’d rather a prison system involve many more mental health professionals, like 2 for every corrections officer. To me, that’s what reform could look like but it doesn’t necessarily have to be that. My intuition just tells me, ask modern psychologists how to make human work better, they specialize in human psychology.

                When you try to answer what a person is, you always get a background story. They’re always in a phase of being relative to what they were in the past. So, I think we’re should dilute that experience with some therapy. If they want to sit and pout all day, aka “don’t want help,” so be it. The therapist can be paid via tax dollars, keep her notes and make a recommendation to the judge after time served.

                And I get that this is a made up solution… I’m not here suggesting this is what Korea should have done. I’m just pointing out my perspective on why the current practice is wrong. Hopefully one day that will improve.