Here’s an alternative perspective on that alternative perspective.
Their Hail Mary as you described it relied on a known factor of persecution of immigrants of all types, the LGBTQ+ community, the entirety of anyone who is (or is perceived to be) a “leftist”, and women as a whole.
So, they were willing to sell out all those people to be thrown in known horrors that were only going to ratchet up even further for their Hail Mary.
Sure it’s a Sophie’s Choice situation maybe I guess but also. Fuck em.
They gambled with the future of so many people. Including their own.
Don’t worry I still blame the base of American voters who we all know are the ride or die’s for this bullshit but there’s enough blame to go around to look at those margins that pushed it past the tipping point.
Yeah, I “get it”.
But, as someone who’s in a few of those above categories it’s not something I’ll soon be forgiving nor forgetting.
The point is not “how dare they betray people who were already failing them.” The point is that, in trying to save themselves through a desperate gamble, they still made a choice that helped hand more power to someone whose openly stated agenda threatened a whole lot of other vulnerable people, including many who had nothing to do with their abandonment.
You can understand why someone makes a desperate choice without pretending the consequences disappear. Those are two different things.
So yes, the Democratic Party absolutely deserves blame for abandoning them, lying to them, and treating their lives as disposable. But that does not magically erase the fact that voting for Trump meant accepting the risk, or certainty, that immigrants, queer people, women, leftists, and plenty of others would be crushed harder too.
And that is the risk they accepted, same as many of those “immigrants, queer people, women, leftists, and plenty of others”, and I’m gonna guess you too, accepted the risk of supporting the party that, as you said yourself, “absolutely deserves blame for abandoning them, lying to them, and treating their lives as disposable”. And if you consider that something to neither forgive nor forget, then you also must understand that you did, in fact have something to do with their abandonment too.
What’s supporting? Putting trumps head onto Rambos body then putting that all over flags in your yard? Or how about driving around with a sticker on your truck that looked like Biden or kamala tied up in the back? How about GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY, i would have aborted Tiffany, Epstein is a good guy he likes them young, oh hey look who raped a 13 year old child…
Yes you get judged for supporting that. I don’t give a fuck what stupid excuse you lie about today. There’s not a single example of this from the democrats no matter how shit they are.
Anarchist here. Sorry, not a democrat. I was in the streets literally fighting for them and others. Nice try though. Anyways, I have people to go feed. Good luck with this useless bullshit.
They will feel the consequences for their choice as they fucking should.
Yes we are angry with them for choosing fascism. What the fuck is wrong with you for not understanding that?
I don’t give a fuck if you were threatened and told to punch me in the head. If you fucking do it I’m escalating that shit right back. Oh are you Victim? Well aren’t we all.
Consequences for actions is justice. It doesn’t matter if you’re too stupid to understand why you deserve those consequences.
Exactly. I punch you in the head with Harris, you’re gonna escalate that shit right back and punch me with Trump. Consequences for actions is justice. It doesn’t matter if you’re too stupid to understand why you deserve those consequences.
Here’s an alternative perspective on that alternative perspective.
Their Hail Mary as you described it relied on a known factor of persecution of immigrants of all types, the LGBTQ+ community, the entirety of anyone who is (or is perceived to be) a “leftist”, and women as a whole.
So, they were willing to sell out all those people to be thrown in known horrors that were only going to ratchet up even further for their Hail Mary.
Sure it’s a Sophie’s Choice situation maybe I guess but also. Fuck em.
They gambled with the future of so many people. Including their own.
Don’t worry I still blame the base of American voters who we all know are the ride or die’s for this bullshit but there’s enough blame to go around to look at those margins that pushed it past the tipping point.
Yeah, I “get it”.
But, as someone who’s in a few of those above categories it’s not something I’ll soon be forgiving nor forgetting.
So, you’re angry at them for being willing to throw the people who were willing to throw them under the bus under the bus?
The point is not “how dare they betray people who were already failing them.” The point is that, in trying to save themselves through a desperate gamble, they still made a choice that helped hand more power to someone whose openly stated agenda threatened a whole lot of other vulnerable people, including many who had nothing to do with their abandonment.
You can understand why someone makes a desperate choice without pretending the consequences disappear. Those are two different things.
So yes, the Democratic Party absolutely deserves blame for abandoning them, lying to them, and treating their lives as disposable. But that does not magically erase the fact that voting for Trump meant accepting the risk, or certainty, that immigrants, queer people, women, leftists, and plenty of others would be crushed harder too.
And that is the risk they accepted, same as many of those “immigrants, queer people, women, leftists, and plenty of others”, and I’m gonna guess you too, accepted the risk of supporting the party that, as you said yourself, “absolutely deserves blame for abandoning them, lying to them, and treating their lives as disposable”. And if you consider that something to neither forgive nor forget, then you also must understand that you did, in fact have something to do with their abandonment too.
What’s supporting? Putting trumps head onto Rambos body then putting that all over flags in your yard? Or how about driving around with a sticker on your truck that looked like Biden or kamala tied up in the back? How about GRAB THEM BY THE PUSSY, i would have aborted Tiffany, Epstein is a good guy he likes them young, oh hey look who raped a 13 year old child…
Yes you get judged for supporting that. I don’t give a fuck what stupid excuse you lie about today. There’s not a single example of this from the democrats no matter how shit they are.
Anarchist here. Sorry, not a democrat. I was in the streets literally fighting for them and others. Nice try though. Anyways, I have people to go feed. Good luck with this useless bullshit.
Unless, of course, they’re Arab-Americans. Never forget, never forgive, right?
They will feel the consequences for their choice as they fucking should.
Yes we are angry with them for choosing fascism. What the fuck is wrong with you for not understanding that?
I don’t give a fuck if you were threatened and told to punch me in the head. If you fucking do it I’m escalating that shit right back. Oh are you Victim? Well aren’t we all.
Consequences for actions is justice. It doesn’t matter if you’re too stupid to understand why you deserve those consequences.
Exactly. I punch you in the head with Harris, you’re gonna escalate that shit right back and punch me with Trump. Consequences for actions is justice. It doesn’t matter if you’re too stupid to understand why you deserve those consequences.