• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    1 day ago

    You’re worried far more about the possibility of imperfection than what’s actually happening on the ground, and what can best be done to achieve that.

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      1 day ago

      I’m not concerned with imperfection. What I know about North Korea that concerns me goes far beyond imperfection.

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        19 hours ago

        You’ve not produced any argument as to why you think so in all your arguments. Most of your messages are abstract and purposely avoid making a point. What are you trying to accomplish here?

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        I don’t think you’ve established that beyond your current belief that universal conscription during war time is equivalent to slavery.

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          11 hours ago

          I am also very concerned with

          • A ban on propaganda against the nation
          • A ban on fleeing the country to seek asylum
          • A ban on political trickery
          • A dubious nomination process for political officials

          Together, this doesn’t give me confidence that the Proletariat has seized power, but instead there has emerged some kind of Platonic state with a permanent political class.

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            There’s no such thing as a “political class,” and you’re still repeating the Bordigist error of using mere fears based on your own unfamiliarity to oppose a proletarian state. Class is not merely a sub-category, it’s specifically related to production and distribution. All of what you said is either sensible given the DPRK’s existence as a country in siege, or is a misunderstanding on your own part, a misunderstanding that can be alleviated through study.

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              11 hours ago

              Do you have a reason to claim that there is no such thing as a political class?

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                As I already explained, class is not merely a sub-category, it’s specifically related to production and distribution. The DPRK’s economy is overwhelmingly publicly owned, there’s nearly no private ownership. Administration is not a class by itself, but a subset of a larger class, in this case the proletariat. Government employees have the same relations to production and distribution as other workers, just with different responsibilities in the production chain.

                Classless society will still have administration and management, as is necessary for large-scale production and distribution. This future communism will also be stateless, as administration is not the same as a state.

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                  11 hours ago

                  Whether a political class exists in North Korea aside, do you really not think such a class could exist? Of course administrators don’t inherently have outsized power, given proper restraints. But to claim that administrative authority cannot be abused contradicts common sense.

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                    Positions can be abused. A mechanic can loosen bolts and cause mass destruction. A nurse can administer lethal dosages of medicine. These are not all distinct classes, though, but subsections of broader classes, that class typically being the proletariat. Classes have similar class interests, this is what binds them as a class, administrators in socialism also benefit from continued collectivization and improvements in production and distribution. Only the proletariat as a ruling class truly can abolish class as such, as their shared interests are the collectivization of production and distribution. This is Marxism.