Philippe Reines, a longtime aide to Bill and Hillary Clinton, told me in the weeks after the election. “The left took the wrong lesson from the 2016 primary. They somehow decided that it meant that the party needed to move even further left.”
How out-of-touch can someone be?
Dear democrats: “centrist” billionaires
bribersdonors aren’t going to bail you out of this one.It’s fucking been here since Bernie’s 2016 presidential primary campaign. Voters need to come through for it.
You mean the Democrats needs to actually campaign on and deliver what the majority of their potential voters want.
Shame they will double down on their failed strategy and not understand why they can’t capture moderates.
The chair of the MN state party where Tim Walz was able to rise to Governor is now the chair of the DNC, and David Hogg is the vice chair and has announced he’ll be funding primary challengers in safe Democratic districts with a do-nothing incumbent. These changes to the national leadership were brought to you by party members who voted in the parties internal elections. Aspiring progressives need to declare their candidacy in the primary whether the state party wants them to or not. And the progressive voters need to show up whether the state party wants the progressive or not. That’s the only way to make it happen. Passively sitting it out while waiting for another group to cater the perfect candidate to you is a recipe for “we don’t care about your non-vote.”
Disclaimer: I’m not specifically accusing you individually of being a non-voter, as I don’t know you at all.
I am absolutely a non-voter. I am in a Dem majority county and state. So my vote does not matter in the slightest. A Rep flipping my area has about as much as a fart in the wind offending a bloodhound upwind.
All the more reason to vote in the Democratic primary, as that’s your real election, then.
Nope, decided by delegates. I vote for who I want and the party decides who they want.
If elections were decided by popular vote, I would have more motivation.
The delegates are legally pledged to the popular vote winner though. Delegates pledged to a candidate who dropped out before the convention will typically vote for whomever their pledged candidate endorsed when they dropped out. If you’re thinking of the superdelegates, they don’t even get a vote unless the pledged delegates aren’t able to elect a nominee in the first round (this change went into effect in 2018).
I will say it again, I am in a majority Dem county and state.
It doesn’t matter who I vote for. It isn’t like there are 2 candidates that are super close, one always has a majority right away and everybody knows who that it going to be.
If we look at 2016, Hilary was always going to win because Bernie was too far left(bad for business) and everybody else had about a snowball’s chance of hitting the Sun from the part of Hell with dry heat. That same primary, Bernie nearly doubled Trump’s votes.
2020? The Dems pushed for Biden as the great hope against the Armageddon that is a second Trump term and Bernie lost hundreds of thousands of votes. Biden nearly doubled Trump’s votes.
2024? Biden got over 90% of votes because the orange man can’t win or we all die and he will put trans kids and immigrants in camps with German engineered showers. Biden had double Trump’s votes again, but got hundreds of thousands less votes than Hilary in 2016 and stepped down to make way for Harris, who only had a platform based on being a woman that isn’t white and isn’t Trump.
Literally no point in Me voting in national elections where I’m at.
Moderates are what ruined this country and allowed the Nat-C’s to take total control.
The only reason that happened is because the progressive left pushed moderates right with a poor platform and pandering.
If they had a decent platform that wasn’t based on orange man bad, maybe they could come up with something of value to campaign on and win.
“Orange man bad” is certainly not the left. That’s the moderates. The left is more “unions good” and “Medicare for All” and “tax billionaires” and “Green New Deal.” Stuff like that. It’s a pretty popular agenda with everyone but the donor class.
And Biden’s enacted policies were not the Green New Deal despite the branding around it. Some aspects were included in the infrastructure bill and the Inflation Reduction Act but, obviously, getting Manchin and Sinema to support anything required fewer progressive priorities and more fundraisers/bribes.
No, it’s cool. The DNC is thinking about running Harris again. That is a very smart decision by very smart people and it will turn out very well
I don’t fucking care who the DNC wants to run. I’m not appealing to the DNC, I’m appealing to the voters Because the nominee will be who the primary voters elect. So we just need a better candidate to choose to run regardless of what the DNC dangles in front of them, and then we need to vote and convince more like-minded persons to also vote.
With AOC at the helm, they can no longer tar and feather Bernie supporters as anti-women because we didn’t like Hillary or Harris.
Yeah it’ll be interesting to she if she goes for it. I kinda rather hope that she primaries Schumer, instead. I like how she comports herself on committee hearings and such, and think that energy is badly needed in Congress. The current bullshit coming out of the White House is only possible because the GOP Congress have just brazenly ceded their authority.
It already happened…
We threw the old guard out of the DNC months ago, that’s why the media suddenly became ok with bad things being said about the DNC.
And before anyone claims Martin is fighting Hogg or other progressives, you should read this article: https://www.sctimes.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/25/dnc-chair-martin-gives-david-hogg-ultimatum-on-challenging-incumbents/83276026007/
“No DNC officer should ever attempt to influence the outcome of a primary election whether on behalf of an incumbent or a challenger,” Martin said Thursday during a conference call.
And:
The chairman said voters should decide who primary nominees are, and that this change is not about shielding incumbents or boosting challengers.
“I am a huge fan of David Hogg, and I’m glad he’s a part of our officer corps, but it’s important for us to maintain the trust that we have built with Democratic voters and to keep our thumb off the scale as party officers,” Martin said.
That’s it, and it’s something we should all agree with. Especially progressives because in a fair fight progressive policy always wins.
The entire reason the old guard sucked so much, is they kept their thumbs on every primary scale. We don’t have to do the same to beat them, we just need a fair primary.
Most democrats are right wingers and would rather vote for the Nat-C’s then allow poor people more opportunities. The primaries always seem to prove that. Martin is lying thrugh his teeth when he says this isn’t about keeping the thumbs off the scales. He and everyone else will support lazy “centrists” (which are actually far-righters) because they don’t give a fuck about stopping the Nat-C’s.
JFC you’re dense. The DNC has actual by-laws prohibiting favoritism in the primaries (which is why 2016 was so fucked). Expecting the the DNC chair to advocate breaking the rules of the DNC is fucking stupid.
Your blaming your own inability to read between the lines on Martin. Grow up.
Most democrats are right wingers and would rather vote for the Nat-C’s then allow poor people more opportunities.
Dem voters? According to polling that’s false.
The primaries always seem to prove that.
The last primary saw the old guard DNC remove all delegates from an entire state…
They also try to call primaries before the amount of states voted reaches double digits, fraudulent primaries don’t prove anything about voters
Martin is lying thrugh his teeth when he says this isn’t about keeping the thumbs off the scales.
(Assuming you typo’d because he said this is explicitly about keeping thumbs off scales)
So you’re one of those people who believe his entire political career has been a long con for this exact moment? Like, just because you didn’t know his name till he became chair doesn’t mean he just appeared out of the blue.
If you want to see how he leads a party, look at Minnesota, which became a progressive stronghold under his watch.
He and everyone else will support lazy “centrists” (which are actually far-righters) because they don’t give a fuck about stopping the Nat-C’s.
Why?
As I just said, he has had a long public career where he’s literally done the opposite.
He’s fine with incumbents losing primaries, he just doesn’t think the party should have a say in who wins a primary…
