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I actually had a Skype phone back in the days
I fell out of contact with a lot of people when they shuttered MSN messenger for Skype, so not sad to see it go.
MSN Messenger was brilliant. At the time I used it, everyone I knew used it. It was the go-to for communication.
Somebody send a gift basket to the Skype CEO, he’s not doing so well.
I see Brennan, I upvote. Love the guy, his DnD campaigns are a blast!
Still find it absolutely wild that Microsoft fucked up during the global pandemic and allowed Zoom to slide right into the communications spot Skype should have been.
Fucking idiots.
Did they really? Microsoft championed Teams and its pretty accepted in corporate environments today, especially if they are already on Microsoft.
Afaik, Skype for Business was merged into Teams. Skype for non-business consumers has been virtually dead for longer. The way I see it, Microsoft let go of the brand, the value of which is questionable in this decade. When they bought it, I remember the rumors saying it was because of its voice codec, which probably got used in everything from xbox live to teams in the end.I couldn’t get my head round this at all. Everyone used Skype where I worked, and it seemed hugely popular. By the time COVID happened, I was in another job, and all of a sudden everyone was going mad about this Zoom program. I’d never heard of it, but it just came out of nowhere and everyone on the planet was using it. How on earth Skype fumbled it so hard is absolutely staggering.
IMHO, the pandemic just allowed everyone to see how much better of an experience Zoom had over Skype.
I worked in an office where half of corporate used Skype, and the cooler sub-brands used Zoom. No one in the main corporate office was happy about using Skype. Microsoft had been neglecting it for quite some time.
Microsoft had been neglecting it for quite some time.
You’re right but that’s why they’re idiots 😄
Yeah, right before the pandemic it was becoming clear that Skype was in Keep The Lights On mode, and MS wanted to funnel all of those users into Teams. But Teams also sucked.
It’s a lot better than it used to be, but it still takes MS an ungodly amount of time to build basic features that have been in Slack / Zoom for a decade… and MS is one of the biggest companies in the world.
how much better of an experience Zoom had over Skype.
I hate Zoom
Microsoft has 1 massive disadvantage when it tries to enter new markets.
It has to deal with brutal cutthroat competition from its worst enemy: Microsoft.
Ms internal politics destroy almost all its successes, their politics are why theyve never really been a threat, for every skype there’s a teams which cuts them off at the knees lest it cost a division head their chance at a promotion.
I personally blame stack ranking, invented by Jack Welch to justify cutting 20% of the company.
If you want to get mad, the Behind the Bastards episode on him explains why corporate America is what it is today.
I heard about that, some call it the “wasted decade” at MS. Top engineers refused to work together due to the stack ranking, not wanting draw the short end of the stick in the evaluations, when compared to each other.
A company I worked at 10 years ago also dabbled with it a bit, luckily not seriously. It was a consultancy firm who hired top graduates from prestige universities, so it made even less sense. Dude, nobody is agerage or below here, you hire the best people after grilling them in interviews and a whole day assessment center. The bell curve just doesn’t make sense
My company does it and it’s fucking stressful. And just like you said, it doesn’t make a ton of sense.
Occasionally there are certainly people who are just there to ride coat tails but I see this behavior more in leadership than in the front lines.
Hey, RIM/Blackberry’s CEO went to mobile world Congress in 2010, 3 solid YEARS after the iPhone launched, was dominating and defining the smartphone world and said, “we feel touchscreen is not the future of mobile phones” and rolled out another hybrid touch/keyboard model like the 5 they already had
Blackberry was $150/share as of 2009 with the entire world in front of it. It’s now worth $3.59/share.
I think he felt right, but at the same time Blackberry wasn’t properly marketed.
And maybe having a touchscreen option would be good enough.
to be fair i miss physical keyboards on phones. i wish we still had space for it.
You could get a Bluetooth keyboard. Literally pick your size.
Same. Colossal pain in the ass.
Get yourself a RIMjob and help bring them back
Blackberry and Nokia were so slow to react to the iPhone, it was painful to watch.
And then, to bring us full circle to OP, Microsoft made it’s strategic acquisition of Nokia long after they had squandered enviable market share to Apple and Google 😂 https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/25/11766540/microsoft-nokia-acquisition-costs
Their stuff was better, but disadvantaged by public perception. A perfect storm one can say.
They’re a cyber security firm now. Wild stuff.
Netflix tried to get distribution in Blockbuster and a partnership w/them and were told to fuck off …
MS Teams did become the standard in a lot of places now
I have to use Teams for work and it is absolute dog shit.
I never said it wasn’t dogshit, but Microsoft did win the corporate messenger race
Why? My experience is the opposite.
Try searching for something that was said in a chat last month.
Then follow what was said in reply.Now as an admin, try to delete an image someone has shared with the team.
Or control who can create new teams.But my biggest pet peeve, which annoys me literally every day, is how it shows a notification for a new message in your task bar.
You click on it, Teams opens how you left it, and you read the message.
But the notification stays. To get rid of it, you have to click on a different chat, then back on the one where the message was posted.I agree, those ARE annoying things. But overall functionality is pretty solid IMO.
I just don’t understand how an app that’s primarily a chat can fail at notifications and searching through the chat log.
great, now do teams.
nobody should have to use that ugly useless piece of shit for anything.
My company used to have Slack and forced this abomination upon us. At least now I can plausibly pretend not to have seen people’s messages.
My company decided we don’t need phones and makes us use Teams for calls. Every day I think about murdering the person who made that decision.
Same here. I made my bed with it though.
I have a “work phone”. it sits at my desk. I’ll answer it when I’m there, otherwise I don’t get called.
I can’t (pronounced won’t) install any work shit on my personal phone because I run e/os and it isn’t compatible with their policies. 🤷 oopsies.
fuck em. I’ve been giving them 4 hours a day for months now, after giving them over a decade of 15-18 hour days.
Can I guess that the American amoral capitalist company won’t have transferred my Skype credit?
I had like $9.22 remaining credit from some international calls back in 2002 I was going to use…eventually.
MSN messenger died for Skype
Skype died for Teams
We’re not on a great trajectory here
(Yes Lync too, but everyone was pleased about that)
Teams died for Teams (New)
What most people don’t know about the ouroboros is that every time the creature eats itself it becomes a little bit closer to being a turd (a consequence of its peculiar metabolism) so even though from an inside perspective the system appears to be in a complex mysterious cyclic kind of stasis, from the outside it is just more and more obviously a turd in the shape of a donut.
Teams will die for Copilot somehow.
Teams
New Teams
Teams (New)
Teams with Copilot
Copilot Teams
They can all coexist in your desktop, just like outlook
By “coexist” we mean being installed side by side with barely distinguishable icons, and when you try to log into the wrong one with the wrong type of Microsoft account (where the login mask looks exactly the same), it throws a helpful error message saying “this account does not exist”.
You missed Teams 365
365 will be dead soon enough. Long Live Office Copilot
Teams dying doesn’t sound too bad either. Just hoping the next iteration isn’t even worse
Next iteration will be “Copilot for Teams”.
Whenever you get a message, Copilot will auto-send an answer unless you click “no” in a popup without window decorations, showing a timer.
On Windows Pro, you can disable this with a registry key, but that resets with feature updates.Given M$'s track record, it definitely will be worse…
Next iteration will be MSN Messenger
And MSN was so much better.
Can imagine your boss nudging you? Lol
I don’t want to.
Did it die, though? Last time I had to use windows for work (shudder) the Teams app process name was lync.exe. Or was it Skype?
Either way, shit’s still around.
It was dead to me after microsoft bought it.
It really went downhill from them on.
Skype was only good while it still had a native Linux version.
It’s sad… Skype saved my butt when I was stuck in Peru and needed to call for help in my home country. I had found out 1-800 lines didn’t use call credits
On one hand, having been forced to use Skype, I’m happy to see it gone. On the other hand, they somehow made it worse and called it Teams.
Please don’t confuse skype4biz and Skype. The former only borrows the name, and shares a lot of code with teams, Lync and probably netmeeting.
The latter will be missed.
Skype for business was truly awful.
A new convo instance every time I messaged the same person after a few hours of not, taking upwards of 10 minutes to sync convos between my laptop and my phone if it did at all, and the shittiest voice/video functions ever? Glad that shit died, teams seems amazing in comparison.
Communicator should be in there somewhere, too
Rip to a real one
I find it funny Microsoft gave me a survey on my work PC asking about how I’m enjoying its products (I laughed in Linux, “how do you like windows customizablity” let me go off about KDE lol)
But back to the subject. Literally everything they work on seems to turn to shit — I wonder what kind of survey feedback are they usually getting? “Oh, Skypes cool but I really like Teams”
Literally everything they work on seems to turn to shit
Not the MS Office though.
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I never really used Skype as a VOIP platform, but it was a great tool for many years for calling international phone numbers affordably. I’m sure it helped many people saving a lot of money calling their friends and relatives. For that I remember it somewhat fondly.
Is Microsoft planning to release a viable replacement at some point?
Teams is their replacement, viable or not
Teams helps cooperation by uniting everyone in their shared hatred for Teams.
There is no stronger bond of friendship than a common enemy.
— Frank Frankfort Moore
Teams(s)
they could have kept the skype name on the ‘consumer’ product, even if underneath it was the same piece of shit teams, just with ‘enterprise’ features hidden.
