They believe marriage is for the sole purpose of procreation, which is their little loophole. They’re so weird about it that I’m surprised they’ve never pushed fertility tests as a pre requisite before allowing a marriage ceremony.
They don’t believe that. They just say that. It’d be crazy if they actually believed it. Any reasonable person knows it’s just bad faith rhetoric, not a true belief.
Having been raised in the faith (I’ve walked away for a multitude of reasons) I assure you they do believe it. You’re not even allowed to take contraceptives or have a vasectomy
If that actually were the belief, sterile people would not be allowed to be married, and people’s marriages would be annualled when they become sterile, through age or otherwise. Unless they’re asking for these, they do not believe it. They may believe that they believe it, but they don’t.
Again, I’m reasonably certain they don’t actually believe a 90 year old woman is suddenly going to get pregnant, or a woman who doesn’t have a uterus anymore, or whatever else. These might be the words they’re told to repeat to justify things, but they don’t believe them. Not even the most devout would believe that.
They may believe God could technically do this, but then he could also technically do the same for same sex couples. He’s omnipotent, according to them, after all. His powers are not limited to only making miracles pregnancies to hetero couples. It’s no more outrageous than expecting people physically incapable of becoming pregnant becoming pregnant. If they justify this belief based on miricles, then same sex marriage is equally justified. (This is not their belief. They don’t believe the former premise, but this is the conclusion that it’d lead to.)
Then they should dissolve their marriages once their children move out, having fulfilled its only purpose. Staying married after you’re done having kids is lust, pride, and vanity.
If they truly believe that then why are they all celibate? They are chalk full of pedophiles too. Why I hate any post praising the pope. Fucker also lives like a king. Wonder how many of the popes are pedophiles themselves.
Eastern Catholic priests can marry, actually. There are married Catholic priests out there right now, and not because they converted in from Anglicanism after they married (though those exist, too), but fully cradle Catholics who were married before their vocation. Somehow this has not exploded the church or whatever. It is inconsistent and ridiculous.
This is one of those pieces of info I try to slip in whenever possible. I’m a firm believer that celibacy is bad for the mind, body, and soul when it’s forced on people. Priests may go into it willingly, but years and years of it with no reprieve does bad things to people’s minds. If the church could make one reform that I genuinely believe would be best, it is the celibacy of clergy. Tons of reforms needed, but that one is the one I think needs to happen soonest.
The actual reason is because the church was protecting its assets from the priests. Back then, priests were very powerful members of local government and controlled a large percentage of the wealth in an area. If they could get married and had kids, their kids would inherit the wealth they accumulated instead of that wealth going to the church.
Historically the priesthood/other holy orders was a place to toss the weird people or undesirable heirs. It was a convenient way for the gay uncle to have a respectable job and explain why they didn’t have a wife. It was also a way to keep pedo types isolated but productive, at least until resources led to many orders dissolving.
As for talking donkeys, you can’t bring obvious fiction or superstition into the real world by proclaiming “MIRACLE”. That’s now how reality works.
And “hey the slave didn’t die so by all means carry on owning another human being as property” is not the moral flex you think it is.
You haven’t proven the bible is accurate or moral. You’ve only proven that you are brainwashed by your religion into justifying atrocities and need to work on bettering yourself.
Finally, why are you explaining your holy book? A book that supposedly contains the infallible word of a god should not need mere mortals to explain it. God should have hired a holy ghost writer.
13 And these ye shall have in detestation among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are a detestable thing: the great vulture, and the bearded vulture, and the ospray;
Direct Hebrew translation.
It wasnt listing birds nor fowls
it was telling you that you shall not eat fowls NOR those things
There are a bunch of modern documented miracles, the Lord works in mysterious ways
As I said, most of that does not apply to us anymore as Christ fulfilled it
They believe marriage is for the sole purpose of procreation, which is their little loophole. They’re so weird about it that I’m surprised they’ve never pushed fertility tests as a pre requisite before allowing a marriage ceremony.
They don’t believe that. They just say that. It’d be crazy if they actually believed it. Any reasonable person knows it’s just bad faith rhetoric, not a true belief.
Having been raised in the faith (I’ve walked away for a multitude of reasons) I assure you they do believe it. You’re not even allowed to take contraceptives or have a vasectomy
If that actually were the belief, sterile people would not be allowed to be married, and people’s marriages would be annualled when they become sterile, through age or otherwise. Unless they’re asking for these, they do not believe it. They may believe that they believe it, but they don’t.
They say those things are god’s will and thus not an issue. They leave the door open for “miracles” to occur.
Then they should be happy with same sex marriages. A miracle might occur with them just as well.
Works for me
Again, I’m reasonably certain they don’t actually believe a 90 year old woman is suddenly going to get pregnant, or a woman who doesn’t have a uterus anymore, or whatever else. These might be the words they’re told to repeat to justify things, but they don’t believe them. Not even the most devout would believe that.
They may believe God could technically do this, but then he could also technically do the same for same sex couples. He’s omnipotent, according to them, after all. His powers are not limited to only making miracles pregnancies to hetero couples. It’s no more outrageous than expecting people physically incapable of becoming pregnant becoming pregnant. If they justify this belief based on miricles, then same sex marriage is equally justified. (This is not their belief. They don’t believe the former premise, but this is the conclusion that it’d lead to.)
Infertility is a cause for marriage annulation. So it’s controlled, but a posteriori.
Then they should dissolve their marriages once their children move out, having fulfilled its only purpose. Staying married after you’re done having kids is lust, pride, and vanity.
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If they truly believe that then why are they all celibate? They are chalk full of pedophiles too. Why I hate any post praising the pope. Fucker also lives like a king. Wonder how many of the popes are pedophiles themselves.
Priests cannot marry. Marriage and the Priesthood (Holy Orders) are the only sacraments that are mutually exclusive.
Eastern Catholic priests can marry, actually. There are married Catholic priests out there right now, and not because they converted in from Anglicanism after they married (though those exist, too), but fully cradle Catholics who were married before their vocation. Somehow this has not exploded the church or whatever. It is inconsistent and ridiculous.
Had never heard of that before, thanks for the info
This is one of those pieces of info I try to slip in whenever possible. I’m a firm believer that celibacy is bad for the mind, body, and soul when it’s forced on people. Priests may go into it willingly, but years and years of it with no reprieve does bad things to people’s minds. If the church could make one reform that I genuinely believe would be best, it is the celibacy of clergy. Tons of reforms needed, but that one is the one I think needs to happen soonest.
Still stupid it’s nowhere in the bible. Makes me believe the priest thing was made for repressed pedophiles.
The actual reason is because the church was protecting its assets from the priests. Back then, priests were very powerful members of local government and controlled a large percentage of the wealth in an area. If they could get married and had kids, their kids would inherit the wealth they accumulated instead of that wealth going to the church.
Historically the priesthood/other holy orders was a place to toss the weird people or undesirable heirs. It was a convenient way for the gay uncle to have a respectable job and explain why they didn’t have a wife. It was also a way to keep pedo types isolated but productive, at least until resources led to many orders dissolving.
marriage is a union between man and woman, as per the Bible
Bats are birds, as per the Bible. Donkeys talk, as per the Bible. Slave owning is cool as long as you don’t beat them to death, as per the Bible.
There’s plenty of stuff in the Bible that’s utter garbage.
verses please
In order: Leviticus 11:19
2 Peter 2:16 & Numbers 22:28
Exodus 21:20-21
Leviticus 11:19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe, and the bat.
2 Peter 2:16 but he was rebuked for his own disobedience. A speechless donkey spoke with a man’s voice and stopped the madness of the prophet.
This is a miracle, not a statement that donkeys speak (literally SPEECHLESS DONKEY)
Numbers 22:28 The LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?”
Again, A MIRACLE
Exodus 20:20 Moses said to the people, “Don’t be afraid, for God has come to test you, and that his fear may be before you, that you won’t sin.”
OOPS
Exodus 21:20 “If a man strikes his servant or his maid with a rod, and he dies under his hand, the man shall surely be punished.
Exodus 21:21 Notwithstanding, if his servant gets up after a day or two, he shall not be punished, for the servant is his property.
if the servant is “beat to death”, the man will be punished
and as Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament, it mostly doesnt apply to us anymore
Bats don’t belong on that list.
As for talking donkeys, you can’t bring obvious fiction or superstition into the real world by proclaiming “MIRACLE”. That’s now how reality works.
And “hey the slave didn’t die so by all means carry on owning another human being as property” is not the moral flex you think it is.
You haven’t proven the bible is accurate or moral. You’ve only proven that you are brainwashed by your religion into justifying atrocities and need to work on bettering yourself.
Finally, why are you explaining your holy book? A book that supposedly contains the infallible word of a god should not need mere mortals to explain it. God should have hired a holy ghost writer.
Direct Hebrew translation.
It wasnt listing birds nor fowls it was telling you that you shall not eat fowls NOR those things
There are a bunch of modern documented miracles, the Lord works in mysterious ways
As I said, most of that does not apply to us anymore as Christ fulfilled it
Define “accurate” or “moral”
Infallible ≠ Simple
Weak bait
not bait nor weak