This is a follow-up to Tim Chambers’ “The Seven Deadly UX Sins”, in which we collaboratively review where and how the network has improved over the past six months, with a lot of different initiatives to show for it!

  • pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works
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    13 hours ago

    Specifically regarding the instance chooser point: I like the idea of a rotating cast of high uptime, low barrier instances, but in seeing current Lemmy cross-instance drama, I find myself wondering how best to navigate that.

    For context, here’s a bit about my own Lemmy journey: when I signed up after looking for Reddit alternatives, I looked through the instance list, saw a few that looked appealing, and ultimately decided on SJW because it promised that shit would, indeed, just work. I joined via the mobile site in a mobile browser, with no idea yet about any of the apps or a lot of things, I spent a while playing around. In the process, I Ducked around and found out that Beehaw had defederated from SJW due to trolling issuws. Uh-oh! What did that mean? Was there going to be a bunch of stuff I was missing? Worse, had I accidentally joined a Bad Instance that was going to make everyone immediately make assumptions about my values when the only real values that had factored into my choice were “pls make it work?” Were people going to think I was a troll?

    As it happens, I did some further research and found that Beehaw was an instance that favored a heavily moderated, tightly knit community that was somewhat defederation-happy towards more easily joined instances because of trolling potential. Okay. Their prerogative, and I get it, but not anything that needs to make me change instances. Cool.

    So anyway, there’s been a whole lot of Controversy and Discourse about Lemmy.world and its main moderator recently. There have been defederations. Lemmy.world is one of the big, newbie-appealing instances, and in fact, the enshittification subreddit specifically links to Lemmy.world instead of join-lemmy.org.

    So, how would we want to deal with a situation like this for rotating servers? Do we have best practices and guidelines in place for if a controversy emerges about an instance in rotation? Do we have some kinds of rules about moderation in eligible instances so that moderators who are found to be a problem through some process can be replaced to maintain the stability of the instance? What about rules for server sign-up policies? For example, reddthat.com allows sign-ups without email addresses, and I believe it’s the instance I just saw get defederated earlier from a large instance due to that extremely open sign-up policy leading to trolls.

    I know the Fediverse does support instance migration in some form, but it honestly seems a bit confusing to me as a beginner, and something I’d rather avoid. Also as a beginner, joining an instance and spending hours trying to get acclimated, only to realize you’ve picked a Bad Instance and need to move, is possibly even more disheartening than going through a long list of instances in the first place, IMO.

    I definitely agree that the long list of instances that new folks need to go through is a barrier to entry, just noting an additional consideration for discussion.

    • Rimu@piefed.social
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      12 hours ago

      If you ever need to move instances, go to https://sh.itjust.works/settings and export the settings. Then in your new instance, import the settings. You’ll be following all the same communities as before, same blocks, etc. Settings exported from Lemmy can be imported into PieFed too.

      The real bummer is when you invest a lot of time and effort into creating then building up a community on the wrong instance. You can just make a new comm and tell everyone to follow it but making this kind of moving more high-fidelity is high on my list.

    • nitrolife@hikki.team
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      11 hours ago

      I think 1 modifications fix this: User migration via Lemmy federation. When you can migrate from Instance to instance with old profile (comments, posts and all another) what instance you choice right now don’t importand.