You’re not wrong, but the immediate danger of the bad Christians is WAY more important right now than the feelings of the good Christians. If the good Christians don’t like it, they should get their fellows in line.
Timothy 4:16 – “Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.”
There’s a clear duty to keep others from using scripture in corrupted ways. Silent good Christians are no better than protest non-voters.
The particular kind of loud narcissism people are describing in this thread isn’t particularly common amongst European christians in my experience and when it comes up it almost always seems to be USAmericans that complain about it. That leads me to believe it’s less about christianity and more just a different flavour of the typical selfish individualism that (to me looking in from the outside) seems to dominate American culture. So if you insist on painting a whole group of people with one brush, perhaps it’s Americans who need to get their fellow countrymen and women in line…
They don’t see me as a Christian because I don’t think the Bible is the “innerrant word of God” (the Bible itself says the the “innerrant word of God” is Jesus-Christ, not a text), and thus don’t apply moral ideas from Antiquity in the 21st century. They’re not my fellows, they reject me. I’m not silent, but progressive Christians don’t have more leverage than others on them. They are narcissists.
Agreed with you. But the same can be said for any group of people no? There are also lots of atheists who are ruining the planet, and lots who are not. Lots of ____ who are, and who are not. It’s up to all of us with good character to act right now in this time. That’s why I’m saying, it’s better to recognize those who are your fellow humans in this fight, and those humans exist in all groups.
The thing is, we’re not talking about the ____ group. We’re talking about those obnoxious Christians who are ruining it for everyone. If that doesn’t include you, nice. But that doesn’t change anything about that overly vocal minority.
You’re not wrong, but the immediate danger of the bad Christians is WAY more important right now than the feelings of the good Christians. If the good Christians don’t like it, they should get their fellows in line.
Timothy 4:16 – “Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.”
There’s a clear duty to keep others from using scripture in corrupted ways. Silent good Christians are no better than protest non-voters.
The particular kind of loud narcissism people are describing in this thread isn’t particularly common amongst European christians in my experience and when it comes up it almost always seems to be USAmericans that complain about it. That leads me to believe it’s less about christianity and more just a different flavour of the typical selfish individualism that (to me looking in from the outside) seems to dominate American culture. So if you insist on painting a whole group of people with one brush, perhaps it’s Americans who need to get their fellow countrymen and women in line…
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They don’t see me as a Christian because I don’t think the Bible is the “innerrant word of God” (the Bible itself says the the “innerrant word of God” is Jesus-Christ, not a text), and thus don’t apply moral ideas from Antiquity in the 21st century. They’re not my fellows, they reject me. I’m not silent, but progressive Christians don’t have more leverage than others on them. They are narcissists.
Agreed with you. But the same can be said for any group of people no? There are also lots of atheists who are ruining the planet, and lots who are not. Lots of ____ who are, and who are not. It’s up to all of us with good character to act right now in this time. That’s why I’m saying, it’s better to recognize those who are your fellow humans in this fight, and those humans exist in all groups.
The thing is, we’re not talking about the ____ group. We’re talking about those obnoxious Christians who are ruining it for everyone. If that doesn’t include you, nice. But that doesn’t change anything about that overly vocal minority.
Believe me, we’re trying. But we’re tired too, and the people we’re trying to reach are our friends and family, so… it takes time.