Rimu published yet another hit piece against the /0 instance and this time posted it in his own instance comms as well. One of his mods jumped in, admitted they don’t know anything about anything, but nevertheless felt confident enough to state their opinion as fact and in the process insult all of us collectively, then stickied his opinion for good measure.
So I decided to reply sarcastically, at which point that mod insulted me and locked the thread, which is apparently a feature in piefed which simply hides/deletes further replies in that thread, but since it’s not a feature in lemmy, it appears to function like a shadow delete.
This is what my last reply would have been.
(Yes I’m being snarky, but that “I’m so mature” bullshit just rubs me the wrong way.)
In my opinion, using mod powers to get the last insult in, is just bastard behaviour.
Okay, so we can close the nazi thread with: Rimu saying he’s anti-nazi holds no water because he didn’t make an official statement denouncing a comment he may or may not have seen where the commenter may or may not have known the word they chose can be interpreted as a crypto-fascist dogwhistle.
I disagree, but it’s honestly not relevant to whether or not PieFed was created out of an anti-communist ideology.
I didn’t say they were, I was just including the full target audience of that feature, since you keep going to “anti-imperialist”, instead of “tankies and nazis”, which is the actual quote.
What?? I don’t assume that at all… genuinely no idea where you’re pulling that out of.
So if it is impossible to oppose tankies without opposing communism broadly, does it follow that it’s impossible to support any form of communism without supporting tankie ideology?
you can critique specific states or policies without using ‘tankie’ as a catch-all for anti-imperialists.
you propose a false binary, my point was that identifying ‘tankies’ as an out-group to exclude in practice excludes all anti-imperialist leftists while allowing pro-US ones. it is selective anti-communism and is no different from how it operated in the height of the cold war.
rimu rhetorically equates ‘tankies’ and nazis, but all the energy i’ve seen in practice seems to be focused on the ‘tankies’ and presenting an alternative free from their ‘influence’ (ie, free from voices opposed to us imperialism)
I’m curious, would you agree with this statement: ‘nazi’ (and ‘fascist’) is used as a pejorative against anyone on the right who is not opposed to capitalism?
fascism is more specifically for ethnonationalists, not just pro-capitalist right wingers. fascism is compatible with capitalism and so there’s overlap.
anti-imperialists oppose ethnostates and colonialism and that’s why there’s so much overlap between zionists and fascists in opposing ‘tankies’. support for israel (a jewish ethnostate) is support for fascism regardless of other politics.
the question you pose feels like setting up the deflection of ‘see you just call everyone you disagree with fascist’
More like, plenty of communities (think MoG-snark communities and the like) love to shit on “libs” and call them fascists and/or nazis. And, if pressed, they’d say it’s because Liberals are collaborating with fascists and Nazis, so there’s no real difference between them.
I don’t think that’s even a particularly adversarial take – do you agree that happens in Leftist, anti-MoG type spaces?
i have never seen people shitting on libs at all on MoG. so i guess i would say its more a nonsensical take.
if the political party that you’re demanding everyone vote for is supporting (politically, militarily, economically) a fascist ethnostate run an extermination campaign, you’re gonna get called a fascist.
this is precise usage, not loose pejorative (ie how ‘tankie’ gets used)
I didn’t say in MoG, I said in anti-MoG spaces.
No it’s not it’s decidedly not precise. That’s the point. They call “Libs” Nazis and fascists because they believe that libs sweep for/support those groups.
Likewise, people use “tankie” as a perjorative against authoritarian communists and people who they believe sweep for/support them.
Huh. I wonder why they do that. Let’s see if Rimu likes socialists who are anti racist or his Zionist liberal friends more. I have a good feeling on the answer.
I would personally, but Rimu deleted my account from his instance. Because I called out his actions. Like a fascist burning books that say facts they don’t like.
Cool story, bro.
vague; are you attempting to make an allusion to hexbear.net/c/slop? like yeah there’s gonna be people who are not favorable to anticommunism, plus the comm is for all forms of reactionary bullshit, lemmy bullshit just happens to show up there occasionally. MoG isn’t even on the front page there right now, nor is it anywhere in top.
supporting a genocide with billions in weapons and diplomatic cover is material, direct support. that’s precise. that’s the complaint that i’ve seen making about people who uncritically support political parties which have been doing this. ‘sweeping for’ is vague accusation with no clear criterion, bordering on wrongthink.
‘authoritarian communists’ is also imprecise. authoritarian by whose definition? the US is authoritarian, we have the highest incarceration rate on earth. if you can’t pay rent or otherwise secure housing you essentially end up unpersoned. if you’re just somebody living in a country that’s opposed to the US you will be subjected to misery via economic warfare under the guise of peaceful status quo (sanctions). ‘tankie’ isn’t used for US supporters, no matter how authoritarian it is, it’s used for anyone opposing US imperialism.
Yup, places like that.
So on the one hand, Liberals == actual Nazis, simple as. No nuance needed. But on the other hand, not all communists support authoritarian communism, and what does that actually even mean, etc.
If that’s your honest take, then we’re just fundamentally not going to agree.