Opponents went all in on smearing Graham Platner as a Nazi based on a bad tattoo choice. It didn’t work. Maine voters decided they’d rather have universal health care and an end to reckless wars than a polished politician with an unblemished past.
My only real criticism of Warren is that she only seems to pop up as some kind of “activist” during election season. After that, she fucks off and basically toes the partyline. It comes off as very “performative”, very “controlled”.
And she never has a real chance at the presidency, so the most she can do is basically “shame” other candidates. That shit she pulled with Bernie in 2018, trying to shade him as a chauvinist, lying that he said “a woman can’t be the president”, unbelievable.
But perhaps the worst thing she does is create division AFTER primaries. Before primaries, it’s a freeforall, and you absolutely SHOULD be critical of all opponents, party or otherwise. Do your best to cut out the corpos, the fakers, the shitheads… but after the candidate is picked, and the only opponent is the fascist in the GOP, then the time for discussion is over. You need to stfu, unite and face the real enemy. But Warren couldn’t do that… and she continued to sow division and doubt all the way to the general election, playing a crucial part in democrats not turning out to vote and letting Trump win.
Okay, so I have a lot of criticism of Warren. On paper, her polices are very sound and very progressive. But as a person, as a party member, she’s a liability. And so many “Warren voters” followed her with their “protest votes” during the election (not counting the ones who just didn’t bother showing up). And she never apologized for that.
So, I mean… cool, good for her that she’s endorsing Platner now. Her policies are progressive, but she and her supporters are kinda shitheads.
Just because you don’t follow her doesn’t mean she’s not pushing progressive things in off years. She was the first Senator to call Gaza a genocide, voted in the progressive block on all the votes I can remember where there was a progressive vs. moderate split, and is constantly advocating for more progressive positions on things. Which is all any of the progressives do because their actual power as legislators is basically nil and all they have is their voice.
This just seems to be a kind of nonsensical made up version of her. You’re both criticizing her for (supposedly) toeing the party line while also complaining that she sowed division against Harris through the general election (something that’s just entirely made up) and led Warren voters to stay home (which is just wildly out of step with their whole vibe). Is your imaginary version supposed to be a “controlled” party loyalist or a rabble-rouser sabotaging the party nominee?
totally slipped that 2018 Bernie comment there, didn’t ya? Don’t wanna talk about that one, eh? I get it.
You can defend her, and look, I get it, publicly she has good policy. I’m not even anti-Warren, just anti-some-of-the-shit-she’s-pulled. I’d still prefer Warren over Biden, or Hillary, or Kamala. I’d vote for her next election if she had a serious chance of winning and defeating the GOP. But she doesn’t. And when she doesn’t have a chance to win she needs to support, not tear down. She needs to pick and choose her battles, time and place, and prioritize what’s important. And from my perspective, you’re welcome to disagree, she doesn’t do that. She throws dirt on allies and highroads in a way that only shames them instead of building up a unified coalition. She did it to Bernie, she did it to Kamala. When she’s running, she’s primarily concerned with herself. Impending cataclysmic fascist opposition be damned.
I don’t think they were complaining about Warren, so much as they know enough history of gopherking to know that he was pushing Warren over Harris in the last GE.
Is that because you remember gopherking was doing that or because sailor’s response implied it? Because I’ve never even heard of anyone calling for Warren to have been the last nominee. That’d be pretty divorced from reality.
So how long until they do a piece called yes they are an out and about nazi running as a dem, but here’s why you need to vote for them to stop trump.
Closer to elections or during the 2028 presidential primaries?
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Huh? What’s with Warren catching strays? She’s been out doing events supporting Platner.
My only real criticism of Warren is that she only seems to pop up as some kind of “activist” during election season. After that, she fucks off and basically toes the partyline. It comes off as very “performative”, very “controlled”.
And she never has a real chance at the presidency, so the most she can do is basically “shame” other candidates. That shit she pulled with Bernie in 2018, trying to shade him as a chauvinist, lying that he said “a woman can’t be the president”, unbelievable.
But perhaps the worst thing she does is create division AFTER primaries. Before primaries, it’s a freeforall, and you absolutely SHOULD be critical of all opponents, party or otherwise. Do your best to cut out the corpos, the fakers, the shitheads… but after the candidate is picked, and the only opponent is the fascist in the GOP, then the time for discussion is over. You need to stfu, unite and face the real enemy. But Warren couldn’t do that… and she continued to sow division and doubt all the way to the general election, playing a crucial part in democrats not turning out to vote and letting Trump win.
Okay, so I have a lot of criticism of Warren. On paper, her polices are very sound and very progressive. But as a person, as a party member, she’s a liability. And so many “Warren voters” followed her with their “protest votes” during the election (not counting the ones who just didn’t bother showing up). And she never apologized for that.
So, I mean… cool, good for her that she’s endorsing Platner now. Her policies are progressive, but she and her supporters are kinda shitheads.
Just because you don’t follow her doesn’t mean she’s not pushing progressive things in off years. She was the first Senator to call Gaza a genocide, voted in the progressive block on all the votes I can remember where there was a progressive vs. moderate split, and is constantly advocating for more progressive positions on things. Which is all any of the progressives do because their actual power as legislators is basically nil and all they have is their voice.
This just seems to be a kind of nonsensical made up version of her. You’re both criticizing her for (supposedly) toeing the party line while also complaining that she sowed division against Harris through the general election (something that’s just entirely made up) and led Warren voters to stay home (which is just wildly out of step with their whole vibe). Is your imaginary version supposed to be a “controlled” party loyalist or a rabble-rouser sabotaging the party nominee?
totally slipped that 2018 Bernie comment there, didn’t ya? Don’t wanna talk about that one, eh? I get it.
You can defend her, and look, I get it, publicly she has good policy. I’m not even anti-Warren, just anti-some-of-the-shit-she’s-pulled. I’d still prefer Warren over Biden, or Hillary, or Kamala. I’d vote for her next election if she had a serious chance of winning and defeating the GOP. But she doesn’t. And when she doesn’t have a chance to win she needs to support, not tear down. She needs to pick and choose her battles, time and place, and prioritize what’s important. And from my perspective, you’re welcome to disagree, she doesn’t do that. She throws dirt on allies and highroads in a way that only shames them instead of building up a unified coalition. She did it to Bernie, she did it to Kamala. When she’s running, she’s primarily concerned with herself. Impending cataclysmic fascist opposition be damned.
I don’t think they were complaining about Warren, so much as they know enough history of gopherking to know that he was pushing Warren over Harris in the last GE.
Is that because you remember gopherking was doing that or because sailor’s response implied it? Because I’ve never even heard of anyone calling for Warren to have been the last nominee. That’d be pretty divorced from reality.
I don’t remember gopherking specifically, but there were some accounts that were saying Warren was a better choice around the general election