The Democrats are not protectors, they’re not heroes, they’re not martyrs. The Democrat party is not a revolutionary party, they’re a party of people who generally liked things the way they were between roughly 1980 and 2016. They’re the party of people who did very well for themselves during that period, and as a result they have a lot to lose. They’re not going to risk all that they’ve gained, to fight for someone else’s vision of a theoretically better society.
I would put the Democrats as more of a moderate reform party. There is an attempt to make mild change, a lot of which gets undone when Republicans take power.
Half of Lemmy hates democrats more than they hate republicans. I suspects that’s why you are getting all of these downvotes for that opinion. Though I might change “moderate reform” to “extremely mild reform.”
I know that’s the reason why I’m getting downvotes. Luckily, because this is Lemmy, downvotes don’t really mean much.
It is just funny that you see this back and forth between how people here will never vote for Democrats yet they’ll make these grand statements on how Democrats, without their support, should act.
You don’t vote for a political party in the hopes that you might be able to push them to represent your interests, you vote for a party who WILL represent your interests.
What kind of fucking power do you have to influence a political party when you tell them that “I will vote for you no matter what you do, but please pretty please be nice to me”?
I swear liberals sound like they’re in an abusive relationship with the Democratic party. “They promised it would be better if I go back to them this time. I’m sure it’s going to be completely different now!”
It’s the Democrats fucking JOB to convince people up vote for them. Don’t blame the people if the party can’t convince them.
You don’t vote for a political party in the hopes that you might be able to push them to represent your interests, you vote for a party who WILL represent your interests.
In a true democracy, yes. That is what you would do.
In a false democracy, like Russia, you would ignore the rigged elections entirely and focus on agitating for the implementation of democracy.
But in a flawed democracy, you have a system where the elections are not exactly rigged, but where you do not have truly proportional representation.
In such a system, your primary focus should be on fixing the system. The closer to a true democracy this is, the easier it will be to accomplish via reform, although one should not discount direct action. However, when an opportunity to vote arises, you should take it. You can’t afford to spend all your effort on elections, but ignoring your opportunity to do some harm reduction would be ineffective.
Kamala’s presidency was only ever going to, best case scenerio, push off fascism for 4 more years. America was going to become fascist one way or another. She would have continued the neo-liberal project that has been sending Americans further and further into financial distress while giving lip service to minority rights. She would have implemented more minor, corporation friendly social services that don’t actually fix anything rather than just place a band-aid on a bullet wound. There was no reform to be had because the Democrat party leadership had all the power and they worked harder to suppress progressive Democrats than they ever did to suppress regressive Republican policies and even full on fascism.
If there are Democrats in that party who actually want to make real improvements for Americans, and there do seem to be some who do, then you have to make sure that they realize that the only way the party has a way forward, that their vision of America has a way forward, is if they battle for the heart of the party so that those Democrats in leadership positions who are all too happy to fall in line with Trump’s fascism are rejected and real people who actually care take over the reins. The American people are seeing who is actually fighting for them right now and who is standing by and letting Trump run rampant over everything without any kind of push back.
You don’t vote for a political party in the hopes that you might be able to push them to represent your interests, you vote for a party who WILL represent your interests.
If you aren’t voting for a party that represents your interests because it isn’t in that ballot, you should vote for the closest one to get what you can get.
Unless you are going to say Trump is just as bad as Democrats.
In a two party system that just means no political party will ever represent your interests. You’re giving up any power that you have to influence politics so that the “lesser of two evils” can slowly drag your country to hell.
Is the progressive change to the Democratic party in the room with us right now, post–2024 presidential election? It seems many believe the lesson is “drop social issues” when that wasn’t even mentioned at the DNC. They’re also adapting a harder stance towards immigration while not bulging on economic issues.
The party leadership is adopting that stance because they hate progressive politics more than they hate fascism. The thing is though, Americans are seeing who is out there speaking to them directly and who is actually putting up some kind of fight against the encroachment of fascism and who is just standing by and allowing fascism to spread, or in some instances apparently actually buddying up with fascists. It’s the progressives who are showing that they actually care about the people, while the mainline party leadership sits back and allows Trump to destroy the American state.
More and more Americans are going to have their eyes opened to who exactly is running their party and to whom their allegiances lie–that being the wealthy and powerful, not the people.
Don’t vote and force the party who gives lip service to representing your interests to actually step up and put their money where their mouth is! Any party who can only run on “we’re not as bad as the other guys” doesn’t deserve to exist.
The Democrats are not protectors, they’re not heroes, they’re not martyrs. The Democrat party is not a revolutionary party, they’re a party of people who generally liked things the way they were between roughly 1980 and 2016. They’re the party of people who did very well for themselves during that period, and as a result they have a lot to lose. They’re not going to risk all that they’ve gained, to fight for someone else’s vision of a theoretically better society.
I would put the Democrats as more of a moderate reform party. There is an attempt to make mild change, a lot of which gets undone when Republicans take power.
Half of Lemmy hates democrats more than they hate republicans. I suspects that’s why you are getting all of these downvotes for that opinion. Though I might change “moderate reform” to “extremely mild reform.”
I know that’s the reason why I’m getting downvotes. Luckily, because this is Lemmy, downvotes don’t really mean much.
It is just funny that you see this back and forth between how people here will never vote for Democrats yet they’ll make these grand statements on how Democrats, without their support, should act.
You don’t vote for a political party in the hopes that you might be able to push them to represent your interests, you vote for a party who WILL represent your interests.
What kind of fucking power do you have to influence a political party when you tell them that “I will vote for you no matter what you do, but please pretty please be nice to me”?
I swear liberals sound like they’re in an abusive relationship with the Democratic party. “They promised it would be better if I go back to them this time. I’m sure it’s going to be completely different now!”
It’s the Democrats fucking JOB to convince people up vote for them. Don’t blame the people if the party can’t convince them.
In a true democracy, yes. That is what you would do.
In a false democracy, like Russia, you would ignore the rigged elections entirely and focus on agitating for the implementation of democracy.
But in a flawed democracy, you have a system where the elections are not exactly rigged, but where you do not have truly proportional representation.
In such a system, your primary focus should be on fixing the system. The closer to a true democracy this is, the easier it will be to accomplish via reform, although one should not discount direct action. However, when an opportunity to vote arises, you should take it. You can’t afford to spend all your effort on elections, but ignoring your opportunity to do some harm reduction would be ineffective.
Kamala’s presidency was only ever going to, best case scenerio, push off fascism for 4 more years. America was going to become fascist one way or another. She would have continued the neo-liberal project that has been sending Americans further and further into financial distress while giving lip service to minority rights. She would have implemented more minor, corporation friendly social services that don’t actually fix anything rather than just place a band-aid on a bullet wound. There was no reform to be had because the Democrat party leadership had all the power and they worked harder to suppress progressive Democrats than they ever did to suppress regressive Republican policies and even full on fascism.
If there are Democrats in that party who actually want to make real improvements for Americans, and there do seem to be some who do, then you have to make sure that they realize that the only way the party has a way forward, that their vision of America has a way forward, is if they battle for the heart of the party so that those Democrats in leadership positions who are all too happy to fall in line with Trump’s fascism are rejected and real people who actually care take over the reins. The American people are seeing who is actually fighting for them right now and who is standing by and letting Trump run rampant over everything without any kind of push back.
If you aren’t voting for a party that represents your interests because it isn’t in that ballot, you should vote for the closest one to get what you can get.
Unless you are going to say Trump is just as bad as Democrats.
In a two party system that just means no political party will ever represent your interests. You’re giving up any power that you have to influence politics so that the “lesser of two evils” can slowly drag your country to hell.
Is the progressive change to the Democratic party in the room with us right now, post–2024 presidential election? It seems many believe the lesson is “drop social issues” when that wasn’t even mentioned at the DNC. They’re also adapting a harder stance towards immigration while not bulging on economic issues.
The party leadership is adopting that stance because they hate progressive politics more than they hate fascism. The thing is though, Americans are seeing who is out there speaking to them directly and who is actually putting up some kind of fight against the encroachment of fascism and who is just standing by and allowing fascism to spread, or in some instances apparently actually buddying up with fascists. It’s the progressives who are showing that they actually care about the people, while the mainline party leadership sits back and allows Trump to destroy the American state.
More and more Americans are going to have their eyes opened to who exactly is running their party and to whom their allegiances lie–that being the wealthy and powerful, not the people.
So don’t vote and let the greater of two evils drag your country to hell faster?
Don’t vote and force the party who gives lip service to representing your interests to actually step up and put their money where their mouth is! Any party who can only run on “we’re not as bad as the other guys” doesn’t deserve to exist.