Certainly, but if ~18 years of parenting wasn’t enough guidance, what more can be done? At a certain point, they have to make the decision themselves to change, and if they won’t there is little sense in trying to force it or provide further guidance. Further, this doesn’t exactly sound like a small difference of opinion if they’re calling their own kid “fascist”, from the way it sounds it’s probably a lot more than just wearing a red hat, this son might well have become a straight up unpleasant person to hang around and engage with; and I don’t think one should be obliged to entertain fascists regardless of how you know them, they should be shunned, at best.
I agree no one should be obligated to entertain fascists. I disagree that one ever stops having the responsibility of being a parent and I prioritize that above all else in this context.
(There is no universal truth, your right for you and my right for me can diverge)
Is it not also your responsibility as a parent to teach your child that many others (certainly not all, but many) have a strong moral compass and many will choose not to engage with them if they espouse repugnant views? Including you, the parent.
I can think of nothing more potent an indicator that maybe I’ve fucked up pretty badly than my own parents deciding my moral compass is so warped it’s not worth interacting with me. Assuming they’re otherwise loving parents who aren’t seriously warped themselves, that would be right up there with “big bright red flashing electric billboard by the freeway calling me a humongous asshole by name” as far as signs that I need to make a change go.
I’m only replying to the first part… There’s a lifetime of guidance that can be provided, as patents, you usually have only their best interests in mind and want them to learn from your mistakes. My dad is older now and still I listen to his advice or model a lot of what I do based off his success (or failures). My son is grown and I hope he does the same for me. I hope to always be a role model in that sense. As guys we don’t always talk about feelings or deep personal stuff, but if I can non-verbally help him out, I’ll do what I can to be that person!
I think this depends on the relationship.
My father is the one that slid fascist. My approach with him is similar to what you describe.
If it were my child I would feel a responsibility to try to help them find the right path.
Certainly, but if ~18 years of parenting wasn’t enough guidance, what more can be done? At a certain point, they have to make the decision themselves to change, and if they won’t there is little sense in trying to force it or provide further guidance. Further, this doesn’t exactly sound like a small difference of opinion if they’re calling their own kid “fascist”, from the way it sounds it’s probably a lot more than just wearing a red hat, this son might well have become a straight up unpleasant person to hang around and engage with; and I don’t think one should be obliged to entertain fascists regardless of how you know them, they should be shunned, at best.
I agree no one should be obligated to entertain fascists. I disagree that one ever stops having the responsibility of being a parent and I prioritize that above all else in this context.
(There is no universal truth, your right for you and my right for me can diverge)
Is it not also your responsibility as a parent to teach your child that many others (certainly not all, but many) have a strong moral compass and many will choose not to engage with them if they espouse repugnant views? Including you, the parent.
I can think of nothing more potent an indicator that maybe I’ve fucked up pretty badly than my own parents deciding my moral compass is so warped it’s not worth interacting with me. Assuming they’re otherwise loving parents who aren’t seriously warped themselves, that would be right up there with “big bright red flashing electric billboard by the freeway calling me a humongous asshole by name” as far as signs that I need to make a change go.
For context… do you have kids?
I’m only replying to the first part… There’s a lifetime of guidance that can be provided, as patents, you usually have only their best interests in mind and want them to learn from your mistakes. My dad is older now and still I listen to his advice or model a lot of what I do based off his success (or failures). My son is grown and I hope he does the same for me. I hope to always be a role model in that sense. As guys we don’t always talk about feelings or deep personal stuff, but if I can non-verbally help him out, I’ll do what I can to be that person!