Yes - conspiracy theorists are great at finding any and all possible supporting evidence no matter how poor. Just vague general “relationships” is sufficient.
They’ve worked together in the past != The guardian ran this to support Trump.
WTF? This is in no way a conspiracy, this has been known for decades, USA instated the Shah to get control of the Iranian oil.
And your false equivalence is outright stupid.
No you are way off, the nationality of the outlet has very little bearing on whether it might be American propaganda or not.
Claiming that because it’s a British outlet it can’t be American propaganda is outright moronic.
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Why is this downvoted? He claimed exactly this, if you look 3 of his posts up he wrote:
bad things surely must be American propaganda? Even from a British paper?
That’s exactly what you claimed with this line 3 of your posts up from the above:
bad things surely must be American propaganda? Even from a British paper?
This was the place the argument came from. So again I repeat because you apparently need it, the nationality of the paper has no bearing on whether it may be American propaganda.
The cry of the conspiracy theorists!! “THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES” “FOLLOW THE MONEY”!
Please stop with this disingenuous strawfolking. If you have questions about what I said you can just ask me.
I’m not fighting you. I’m not even debating you. Let’s just talk.
Why do you think I’m saying the Guardian is involved in a conspiracy? I agreed they can be just doing factual reporting and also that this reporting happens to be useful to people who want to justify the US and Israel’s actions.
That’s the context of how nothing is ever “just” a pure piece of reporting, released into a vacuum only read by 100% politically neutral readers.
Why do you think I’m saying the Guardian is involved in a conspiracy? I agreed they can be just doing factual reporting and also that this reporting happens to be useful to people who want to justify the US and Israel’s actions.
This is the “I’m just asking questions” wing of conspiratorial thinking. What you’re missing is that there’s absolutely no reason to be bringing any of this up at all. The connections you’re making are spurious. It’s also super common (and annoying) in on-line conversations of any sort when politics is being discussed. When maga does it leftists cry “conspiracy theory” (rightly so). When leftists do it and I point out the conspiracy thinking I get “you’re so naive! you can’t see that these things are related!?!”
BoTh SiDeS are absolutely guilty of conspiracy thinking. They just like their conspiracies and feel justified. Introspection is not a common talent.
So do you complain in stories about Trump doing stupid and evil things with “a nagging feeling that it’s just to help justify the next move of Iran?”
You admit the Iranian government “sucks” yet news of them doing bad things surely must be American propaganda? Even from a British paper?
Conspiracy thinking does us all no good.
The British with help by the Americans are pretty much the reason why the current regime is in charge
1953 Iranian coup d’état
Yes - conspiracy theorists are great at finding any and all possible supporting evidence no matter how poor. Just vague general “relationships” is sufficient.
They’ve worked together in the past != The guardian ran this to support Trump.
WTF? This is in no way a conspiracy, this has been known for decades, USA instated the Shah to get control of the Iranian oil.
And your false equivalence is outright stupid.
That isn’t the conspiracy. The conspiracy is therefore this article is propaganda.
No you are way off, the nationality of the outlet has very little bearing on whether it might be American propaganda or not.
Claiming that because it’s a British outlet it can’t be American propaganda is outright moronic.
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Why is this downvoted? He claimed exactly this, if you look 3 of his posts up he wrote:
That’s not what I’m claiming. Thanks for playing.
That’s exactly what you claimed with this line 3 of your posts up from the above:
This was the place the argument came from. So again I repeat because you apparently need it, the nationality of the paper has no bearing on whether it may be American propaganda.
The absolute arrogance of thinking you know better than me what I’m saying. Bye.
It can be true but also propaganda, or just coincidentally the kind of news Zionists would like to see (truthfully). It’s hard to tell.
I think it’s worth including this meta context when discussing the article.
It can also just be an article about an objectively totalitarian regime doing horrible things.
Sometimes a banana is just a banana.
You don’t think it’s both true and useful to bad actors?
Nothing is “just” anything. We live in a society etc
The cry of the conspiracy theorists!! “THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES” “FOLLOW THE MONEY”!
Please stop with this disingenuous strawfolking. If you have questions about what I said you can just ask me.
I’m not fighting you. I’m not even debating you. Let’s just talk.
Why do you think I’m saying the Guardian is involved in a conspiracy? I agreed they can be just doing factual reporting and also that this reporting happens to be useful to people who want to justify the US and Israel’s actions.
That’s the context of how nothing is ever “just” a pure piece of reporting, released into a vacuum only read by 100% politically neutral readers.
This is the “I’m just asking questions” wing of conspiratorial thinking. What you’re missing is that there’s absolutely no reason to be bringing any of this up at all. The connections you’re making are spurious. It’s also super common (and annoying) in on-line conversations of any sort when politics is being discussed. When maga does it leftists cry “conspiracy theory” (rightly so). When leftists do it and I point out the conspiracy thinking I get “you’re so naive! you can’t see that these things are related!?!”
BoTh SiDeS are absolutely guilty of conspiracy thinking. They just like their conspiracies and feel justified. Introspection is not a common talent.
Please I’m begging you to talk like a regular person and not like you’re doing a reaction video
So just ignoring everything else then.
Straw man argument.