Huh, I’m eating less meat than I ever have. Shit’s expensive plus stuff like garbanzo beans are surprisingly tasty and protein packed. Plus, it’s way healthier for you.
For me, when I had no money, it was pulses (garbanzos and lentils, mainly), brown rice and fish. I lived in a town with a fishing port, and back then everyone was barely getting by, so prices weren’t bad. But those same sand dabs I used to buy off the boat, cleaned, 4 for a dollar, are nowhere near as cheap now. And there is no fishing fleet there anymore, it’s become a yacht marina.
Anyway I’ve moved on and am living in another country. Here, the low-food-mile, low-cost options are different. And my consumption of red meat is on the order of once a week. I’m not a big fan of chicken, but still have fish when I’m motivated to visit the fishmonger.
no animal produces b12 - it all comes from soil bacteria - which is why grass fed ruminants have b12
but practically no modern day meat farm relies on grass feeding only - even the “grass fed” get the bulk of their calories via feed (and therefore take b12 supplements)
if you’re arguing that we should go back to “the olden days” - meaning no more than 20% of your yearly calories being meat - or eating meat about once a week - then please don’t let me stop you - but at that point I’d much rather take my b12 supplements and not have to needlessly kill animals 🤷♀️
Non-ruminants including fish also have vitamin b12. I mentioned the old days to show that people then survived eating animals without b12 supplements. But in those days animals roamed more freely. As long as people eat a healthy diet, I’m fine. I just don’t want anyone to be like that girl in an article trending in this community who died from b12 deficiency.
Not eating meat AT ALL is such a novel thing for human gastroevolution that I personally prefer to wait 5k years or so to see the outcomes before commiting. That includes eating diet supplements, who might or might not work.
There have been cultures in certain blue zones like in Okinawa where people traditionally ate very little meat.
Less than 1% of their diet was fish; less than 1% of their diet was meat, and same with dairy and eggs, so it was more than 96% plant-based, and more than 90% whole food plant based—very few processed foods either. And, not just whole food plant-based, but most of their diet was vegetables, and one vegetable in particular—sweet potatoes. The Okinawan diet was centered around purple and orange sweet potatoes
Also adventist vegetarians in California:
The plant-based nature of the diet may trump the caloric restriction, though, since the one population that lives even longer than the Okinawa Japanese don’t just eat a 98% meat-free diet, they eat 100% meat-free. The Adventist vegetarians in California, with perhaps the highest life expectancy of any formally described population.
Adventist vegetarian men and women live to be about 83 and 86, comparable to Okinawan women, but better than Okinawan men. The best of the best were Adventist vegetarians who had healthy lifestyles too, like being exercising nonsmokers, 87 and nearly 90, on average. That’s like 10 to 14 years longer than the general population. Ten to 14 extra years on this Earth from simple lifestyle choices. And, this is happening now, in modern times, whereas Okinawan longevity is now a thing of the past. Okinawa now hosts more than a dozen KFCs. Their saturated fat tripled. They went from eating essentially no cholesterol to a few Big Macs’ worth, tripled their sodium, and are now just as potassium deficient as Americans, getting less than half of the recommended minimum daily intake of 4,700 mg a day. In two generations, Okinawans have gone from the leanest Japanese to the fattest
Huh, I’m eating less meat than I ever have. Shit’s expensive plus stuff like garbanzo beans are surprisingly tasty and protein packed. Plus, it’s way healthier for you.
For me, when I had no money, it was pulses (garbanzos and lentils, mainly), brown rice and fish. I lived in a town with a fishing port, and back then everyone was barely getting by, so prices weren’t bad. But those same sand dabs I used to buy off the boat, cleaned, 4 for a dollar, are nowhere near as cheap now. And there is no fishing fleet there anymore, it’s become a yacht marina.
Anyway I’ve moved on and am living in another country. Here, the low-food-mile, low-cost options are different. And my consumption of red meat is on the order of once a week. I’m not a big fan of chicken, but still have fish when I’m motivated to visit the fishmonger.
Black beans and rice is a good combo, complimentary proteins too!
I think you have to combine it with other foods to get a complete protein.
Pulses plus grains give you the right set of amino acids to make proteins.
Yes, and some meat is necessary to obtain vitamin B12.
why eat animals that have been fed b12 supplements when you can just take the b12 supplements yourself?
I can get a 1-year supply of B12 for like $3 or something. It’s a solved problem.
Animal meat naturally has b12. In the old days, animals weren’t fed b12 supplement.
no animal produces b12 - it all comes from soil bacteria - which is why grass fed ruminants have b12
but practically no modern day meat farm relies on grass feeding only - even the “grass fed” get the bulk of their calories via feed (and therefore take b12 supplements)
if you’re arguing that we should go back to “the olden days” - meaning no more than 20% of your yearly calories being meat - or eating meat about once a week - then please don’t let me stop you - but at that point I’d much rather take my b12 supplements and not have to needlessly kill animals 🤷♀️
Non-ruminants including fish also have vitamin b12. I mentioned the old days to show that people then survived eating animals without b12 supplements. But in those days animals roamed more freely. As long as people eat a healthy diet, I’m fine. I just don’t want anyone to be like that girl in an article trending in this community who died from b12 deficiency.
Not eating meat AT ALL is such a novel thing for human gastroevolution that I personally prefer to wait 5k years or so to see the outcomes before commiting. That includes eating diet supplements, who might or might not work.
There have been cultures in certain blue zones like in Okinawa where people traditionally ate very little meat.
Also adventist vegetarians in California:
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