• marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    I’m not “you guys.” I’m an outside observer that believes both Ukraine and Russia as stated need to be dissolved an actual democratic worker-led governments take their place. But this is literally the entire western world versus Russia, and slowly the western world is losing interest and pursuing other imperialist ventures, so naturally Ukraine will run out of men and materials as the west is objectively stopping support.

    I know you people have a script you have to follow anytime anyone criticizes Ukraine, but can we skip to the part where you either block me or stop responding if you’re just going to go through the exact same script you people have been using since 1991?

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      both Ukraine and Russia as stated need to be dissolved an actual democratic worker-led governments take their place

      Hey, an actually somewhat decent take.

      But still, in the meantime I’m going to be against the invading warmonger more than I’m against the one getting invaded.

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        You haven’t yet. You’ve made up a version of me based on the script you people were given, and you’ve criticized that.

        Vladimir Putin, as a far-right capitalist dictator needs to be tortured and killed. Every single member of the Russian state in power since 1991 needs to be found, tortured and killed. The Russia state itself, being an imperialist amalgamation of disparate states and people, should be fully dissolved, and its power given back to the people.

        Volodymyr Zelenskyy, as a far-right capitalist dictator needs to be tortured and killed. Every single member of the Ukrainian state currently in power needs to be found, tortured, and killed. The Ukrainian state itself, being an amalgamation of disparate states and people, should be fully dissolved, and its power given back to the people.

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          The […] state itself, being an amalgamation of disparate states and people, should be fully dissolved

          Why does this “marxism” of yours sound so much like fascist discourse with its dislike of multinational states? And since when are federations bad, what’s up with that?

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            Why does this “marxism” of yours sound so much like fascist discourse with its dislike of multinational states?

            Name one single reference to fascism, or fascist state, or fascist propgandist quote that ever suggests dissolution of a state.

            And since when are federations bad, what’s up with that?

            Federations are fine, neither Ukraine nor Russia is a federation. Federations are voluntary and can be left at any time. The last time a state tried to leave either Ukraine or Russia they got invaded and bombed by their ‘federation.’ Because ‘it wasn’t really democracy,’ and ‘the vote was rigged.’

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              Name one single reference to fascism, or fascist state, or fascist propgandist quote that ever suggests dissolution of a state.

              Fascists who escaped from Nazi Croatia in 1945 regularly published articles about abolishing socialist Yugoslavia and reestablishing Croatian independence.

              Federations are fine, neither Ukraine nor Russia is a federation.

              Isn’t Russia literally defined as a federation?

              a state tried to leave either Ukraine

              Since when were Crimea or Donbas “states”?

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          needs to be

          Lemme guess, it’s not gonna be you doing all this.