All the people in this thread saying shoplifters should be confronted. No amount of theft is worth my life, or your’s. Shops have cameras. Call the police.
Then, fix the underlying problems in society. I know that is hard work, but we as a society need to stop abandoning our responsibility to make this world a better place for everyone.
Why would you even risk yourself for a company who doesn’t give a shit about you? Observe and report is the absolute maximum you should do even if you are allowed to physically intervene.
Observe and report?
Bruh if you saw food theft. No you didn’t.
None of this is your job.
Really depends, if you see a guy in an expensive suit shoplifting food than honestly that could be annoying enough to report. Or if it is someone who does that regularly or damages the shop while doing so which in this case if you don’t report puts your livelihood in risk too. If it is a one off food theft from someone who looks like is in need, sure. But I don’t think it is always that black and white.
But what if it’s like all the bacon?
Rule number one: If you see someone shoplifting food, no you didn’t.
Yeah, I beat a would be robber with a mop handle and the discussion to fire me went all the way up to the regional manager.
Prince Akeem? Oh my goodness it is you! I can not believe it!
Sounds like you should have been fired at the least.
If she made a decision this poor and reckless, I think it’s safe to assume that she has made other terrible decisions in the past and would make more in the future. I’d like to know how her coworkers feel about the situation.
Wtf are all these retarded opinions “if someone is stealing, ignore”?
There are plenty of food banks for whoever needs food (nearly everywhere in western europe). So why should we empower voiding this societal contract of … not stealing?
In the end it’s the consumer who end up fitting the bill, as these will be used as an excuse to hike prices for actually hardworking people.
I work retail in the US. It’s not just some meaningless “policy”; it’s drilled into us that we shouldn’t obstruct a suspected shoplifter, confront them, or even politely ask if they have a receipt. People who try to intervene are putting themselves and others at a bigger risk than they realize. What she did was a MAJOR no-no.
Companies have decided that the loss of profits from shoplifting is negligible compared to the risk of a lawsuit or worker’s comp due to an injury. Plus, for all I know, the shoplifter has a weapon and/or untreated mental disorders. I am neither qualified nor paid to deal with that.
No it’s not. What kind of hokey, pie-eyed, olde tyme colonial school child view of capitalism are you desperately holding onto? The customer gets charged the maximum they will pay, regardless of any other circumstance.
You and I are going to get charged a certain amount regardless. Theft comes from their bottom line. If you don’t steal, you’re only giving more money to the rich.
Theft comes from their bottom line. If you don’t steal, you’re only giving more money to the rich.
Tell that to all the towns that get abandoned by businesses once theft is socially acceptable (or even encouraged), so maybe look up those instances before you reply. What an absolutely retarded take. I can’t wait till the next post by another retard about “food deserts” and how food is raysis because the closest shop is in the next town and they can only eat at mcdonalds.
FWIW, no one should feel the need to put their safety on the line for the benefit of their corporate overlords, for a number of reasons.
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The obvious point of you potentially getting hurt. The company doesn’t want that because they could get sued. So they tell you not to intervene to cover their ass.
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The chance of the other person getting hurt. The company doesn’t want that because they could get sued. And they’ll blame it on you because you were told not to intervene.
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The possibility that you are simply wrong. You think you saw someone shoplift, but what if they didn’t? You just assaulted a random person.
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Basic fucking human decency. If someone is stealing food of all things, why would you feel the need to intervene? It’s not your loss, it’s the company’s. If the company wants to do something about it, they can figure that part out themselves.
no one should feel the need to put their safety on the line for the benefit of their corporate overlords
Nor should they endanger other people who they try to apprehend.
Yup, intervene if the person is attempting to seriously injure or kill another person and you feel motivated to intervene.
Outside of that, the company has a certain amount of loss that is built into their operating budget every year. This person has just taken advantage of that. It’s not your fucking responsibility.
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If you see someone stealing food… No you didnt. Move on.
until I see them go outside to their luxury SUV and leave their shopping cart in the way
then I’m making a scene
Why is this the default response? The only truly upsetting thing is them not returning the shopping cart. Everything else just makes me feel sad for them and our society.
Unless they pulled up in a jag and are wearing fur.
Ya I’d just feel sad for them, realize I didn’t see anything. And then move on with my day.
Sure but also. If you see someone stealing, no you didn’t.
Depends on what and from whom. If I see someone stealing some poor bastard’s car, I’m saying something.
Yeah or a bicycle, leave peoples bikes the fuck alone assholes.
Found the dutchie
edit: not a nerve I expected to touch lol
It a go bon?
The guy stuffing 10lbs of ribeye steaks in his jacket is not Jean Valjean.
The guy judging someone created within a sick society of abundance is the problem. Not the individual who feels the need to steal food just to get by. (for whatever reason. Even if they are using the money to buy drugs. Very few addicts got hooked because they partied too much. Most get hooked because our society is unwell from the top down.)
Most get hooked because our society is unwell from the top down.
And yet the vast majority of people in that unwell society don’t end up being addicts. So there might be some other factors involved besides that, that are more relevant to the actual problem.
Pretty much every person that I know is addicted to caffeine. And those who aren’t have a serious sugar problem.
Depends on food. If it’s truffle or black caviar, for example…
Sevruga’s OK. Beluga, that’s across the line.
everyone deserves a chance to taste Beluga caviar before it’s extinct.
Who cares. Only worriedos and fascists that’s who.
Are you allowed to steal food from anyone or only from certain categories of people / organisations?
Obviously only from those who have excess. If you’re Christian, this is literally in the Bible. If you aren’t, it’s obviously just the right thing to do, for those with excess to give to the needy, willingly or not.
I don’t know the verse you’re referring to. Of course I’m not a Christian either, technically speaking.
And Jesus said “if you think Malachai has too much, go on and take a little. He won’t miss it”
How to determine if that person or organisation has an excess?
When the media starts calling them a trillionaire.
In that case you are permitted to eat that person itself too, IMO.
First, you see if they have enough free time to be sea-lioning.
That’s not the case.
Dude made a pretty radical assertion. And I want to see, how it all works in their eyes.
If something is a profitable (and for-profit) food-selling organization, I’d say they have an excess. Which would almost automatically include any grocery chain. Which doesn’t make them all evil, of course, nor does it necessarily imply they have huge profits or great excess.
Finally a proper answer. Thank you.
Maybe start with the millions of pounds of food the UK throws out every year? Getting mad about food that was never going to be in your empty stomach is wild to me. Says a lot about your morals.
Capitalism is, indeed, a plague. And I don’t see any viable cure for it in the observable future.
This. When I lived in housing cooperatives in college 20 years ago we would lie in wait at various places (Trader Joes, Whole Foods, Einstein Bros., Roma Pizza, etc.) and grab ridiculous amounts of good food they would throw away at closing time. We actually got enough perfectly fine food that way that we were able to completely subsizide all of the food costs of the single parents and poor members of our community. I don’t think folks can even do this anymore as now places have locked dumpsters or even keep the entire dumpster enclosed in the building itself.
That’s up to you. We aren’t writing laws here. Morality is subjective.
Excess isn’t a moral term.
But I suppose, your point is different from the OC:, you are suggesting to steal food based on moral views.
Which is problematic, as morality indeed is subjective.Personally, I struggle to conjure a moral ground to steal food if I know where the food banks are. Or if said food is of a treat / luxury category.
so she knew the store policy, decided to ignore it, has known this person has taken food in the past but doesn’t call the police and have them trespass, and for some reason thinks she owes the company what? something? to tackle a person taking food?
no sympathy here. who cares if someone takes food? does anyone who work retail honestly get paid enough to care? and if you do care then there’s something painfully wrong with you. I worked retail some 20+ years ago and even then I didn’t give a flying fuck if someone took something from where ever I was working. I wasn’t be paid enough to care I barely made more than minimum wage. the only people who cared were managers and LP cause they were paid enough to care.
GOOD
Fuck that former employee
You aren’t being stolen from, a company is.
You aren’t losing money, the company is
You don’t gain anything by interfering, the company does
You don’t get rewarded, you have rewarded the company (assuming you stop the theft)
YOU DON’T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO CARE ABOUT SHOPLIFTERS
I don’t care how much you make. You don’t make enough.
If you, as someone with a lower quality of life (relative to the rich) than a medieval peasant and who definitely doesn’t have the money to take care of potential medical bills thy arise from a potential altercation.
I cannot fathom caring so much about a company’s profits that I intervene in any shoplifting.
Note: when I worked for a sporting goods retailer, the ONLY thing I ever did was inform a manager when I believe someone was stealing ammo for a gun. Never gave a shit about clothing, food, or even sports equipment, but in my opinion there’s very few reasons to steal firearm ammunition, almost none of them involve a needy person who will use them for benefit.
If you see someone shoplifting, especially from a company, no you fucking didn’t
This person is in the civilized part of the world. They can afford to take care of medical bills.
Otherwise 💯
Never ever do anything to stop shoplifters or robbers.
- Because they could be brandishing a deadly weapon
- You aren’t paid enough to stop them, let alone intervene in any way
- If you were paid enough to stop them, you’re paid more than enough to let them get away and not feel any pain from it.
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If you cause them any bodily harm at all, it’s disproportionate to the crime they’ve committed.
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You might be wrong, in which case all you’ve done is attacked someone for no lawful reason.
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It sounds like she gave a poor rashernale.
Good, fuck em for snitching
Yeah, yeah, she shouldn’t have done it. But, it was wrong to fire her over it. I agree with the union rep, a warning would have been enough.
Yeah, it’s a great idea to have someone on the payroll who assaults people. What could go wrong?
How is it wrong to fire her?
She is a danger. She could literally kill someone over allegedly stealing a packet of bacon.
A packet of bacon, I will remind you, is going to go in bin when it expires. The store has already accounted for its loss.
Sacks for everyone! I feel like the title is trying to be witty. The caffeine hasn’t kicked in yet… so I’ll quietly hope someone can bag a better title for us.
Fun aside: as someone already observed - its not worth chasing down someone for retail theft. Theres insurance, shrink is factored into running costs, and you could get hurt or sued… or both. Also, while it sucks to look at it this way… if someone is stealing food… they probably needed it.
An employee who takes their bacon seriously is exactly the type of employee I would want hire.
