I decided to not be bitter and i followed a liberal influencer for like a week (they dont make political content usually) but today they posted that BULLSHIT about how trump is causing wars as a cover for the files and i had to unfollow. nobody is starting wars over that, theyre starting wars for capital and resources.

what the fuck is a ”eipstein class”? just those guys on the files? are the billionaires who refused or were not invited alright with you?

and of course the religious zealots doing the bit about how eipstein was satan incarnate while churning out money for their pastor to buy a new mansion.

the prolecattleiat is not being elevated to sapience by this situation alone. people have to read theory which is why i encourage them to do so. libs, anarchists and conservatives have the balls to talk about how mao, stalin and other leaders were also pedophiles or ray peests so communism is not worth it either so we just need a matriarchy as if a capitalist system would be fine if women were in charge.

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    Third Worldist Maoists when a poverty-stricken, trailer-park, white family in West Virginia; Section-8 Black family in Baltimore; and a rural Hispanic family in Mississippi are virtually indistinguishable from third world populations in terms of material conditions, power, and wealth. Not to mention those groups make up over HALF the US population.

    People see one labour aristocrat tech-bro on Reddit and throw in the towel.

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      But the US sits in a different position in a globalised economy. The poor in the US are still consumers of resources from the Global South. In terms of the Earth’s production, it’s a big funnel and the Global South consumes a tiny amount relative to the West. Even those in poverty in the US consume a lot more based on metrics like electricity use, fuel, steel, fertilizer, clothing etc.

      There’s a big imbalance there regardless of the internal inequalities of the US.

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        Crudely:

        • $12-$14 per hour = global gdp per capita ($110T global gdp, mean 2000 work hours per year, 50% of 8 bill population as workers contributing to that gdp)
        • less than that the planet net exploits you
        • mean global wage is something like $7/hr/per worker
        • if you make above the above threshold of $14/hr on net your wage is subsidised by imperialist profits

        Material conditions (think relations rather than stresses) influence one’s worldview, even with relative poverty. It’s why reactionary politics still exist within a settler nation (think peoples rather than borders).

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        I agree, however a relatively tiny percentage of the US population consumes a disproportionate amount of resources, with a small spattering of concessions given to an almost equally tiny labour-aristocratic vanguard. The working class enjoys little to nothing of the imperial spoils, at least not much that they can buy without going into debt peonage with a credit card. However that imbalance is the result of systemic capitalist extraction and superprofit, which must be dealt with by a changing of the base. Something that is not possible without revolution, which is why I was also referring more to the necessity of building an intersectional class consciousness among the lowest echelons of US society, as hundreds of millions are internally subjugated and used as fuel for the capitalist machine.

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      Third Worldist Maoists when a poverty-stricken, trailer-park, white family in West Virginia; Section-8 Black family in Baltimore; and a rural Hispanic family in Mississippi are virtually indistinguishable from third world populations in terms of material conditions, power, and wealth. Not to mention those groups make up over HALF the US population.

      People see one labour aristocrat tech-bro on Reddit and throw in the towel.

      Name your communist movement that has convinced the three aformentioned groups to your cause. Or are they props for your settler apologism.

      Maybe, just maybe, consider there are oppressed nations of people within nations and not lump the Gazans with Israelis in an attempt to appeal to Israeli proleteriat.

      Marxism-leninsim is a science. If black prisoner maoists have a more correct line than you then maybe learn from them.

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        Creating a straw man of an argument using the genocide of the Gazan population is quite disgusting. The societal conditions of the United States are vastly different to those of Isntreal, and permit for a intersectional solidarity.

        Name your communist movement that has convinced the three aformentioned groups to your cause. Or are they props for your settler apologism.

        The Rainbow Coalition. If the vision of intersectional class unity was realized before, and it can be done again. That is the entire point of building class consciousness.

        Currently? The PSL. During my travels across the US and my work with various PSL chapters, I can say each chapter was comprised of the most diverse group of individuals that came from a litany of backgrounds. The communities the chapters were embedded in also saw marked increases of inter-solidarity and class action; as scores of people, again from all walks of life, showed up for rent protests to forcibly protect peoples homes; food drives to feed the destitute; and mobile medical clinics where “labor-aristocratic” doctors would work for no personal benefits to help those abandoned by society. Then, those very same people seemed much more agreeable to joining book studies and learning about ML thought. Strange.

        It’s almost like race is a capitalist construct and class is the true unifier once a class consciousness is built. Who would have thought.

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        Marxism-leninsim is a science. If black prisoner maoists have a more correct line than you then maybe learn from them.

        This line was added as part of an edit well after the fact, however I feel this line is quite telling. Declaring yourself the supreme authority from which all have to learn is incredibly pretentious, especially when you present an utterly nonsensical idea.

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          The PSL

          What’s their answer to the question of the labour aristocracy and settlerism?

          Rainbow Coalition

          Failed. Why?

          intersectional class unity

          Consider intersectionalism is not marxist. Eg trans emancipation is not add on-to fighting imperialism it is intrisic to fully understanding how capital works

          It’s almost like race is a capitalist construct and class is the true unifier once a class consciousness is built.

          There are more than enough “anti-capitalists” who evoke such sentiments without being marxist-leninist. That sentiment without the science is what leads to “pro-palestinian” westerners saying gazan proleteriat should unite with Israeli proleteriat against the “elite”. (To which the correct response to that is: no you racist fuckhead the israeli jewish proleteriat is part of that elite)

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            Rainbow Coalition Failed. Why?

            COINTELPRO and direct federal repression and assassination of key members. Understanding the governmental response to the Rainbow Coalition is vital for any contemporary movement. That’s the entire purpose of socialist experiments. Though using your logic, the Soviet Union failed, so socialists should never again set up a socialist state. A completely nonsensical logic.

            intersectional class unity Consider intersectionalism is not marxist. Eg trans emancipation is not add on-to fighting imperialism it is intrisic to fully understanding how capital works

            I genuinely have no clue what this sentence is trying to say. From what I can understand, saying that intersectionality is not Marxist is so bizarrely incorrect that all I can say is that you are deeply unserious.

            There are more than enough “anti-capitalists” who evoke such sentiments without being marxist-leninist. That sentiment without the science is what leads to “pro-palestinian” westerners saying gazan proleteriat should unite with Israeli proleteriat against the “elite”. (To which the correct response to that is: no you racist fuckhead the israeli jewish proleteriat is part of that elite)

            You are fighting a complete strawman here and conflating the material conditions and societal realities of two vastly different situations.

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              1. Consider the autodynamism of dialectical materialism and how the CPC learned from the Soviet’s mistakes. The wolves have teeth are a given, we have to learn how to defend against them from previous mistakes.

              2. on intersectionalism: it was deliberately developed in bourgoise acadaemia to evade how marxism is emancipatory for “minorities”

              You are fighting a complete strawman here and conflating the material conditions and societal realities of two vastly different situations.

              Israeli apartheid, ethnic cleansing and genocide is entirley western in its charecteristics; the false division imagined between “Israeli’ and US"American” is the gap you are afraid to close.

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                Again, you are arguing a strawman which was answered perfectly by amemorablename in their comment below. I am disengaging as this conversation is completely unproductive.