Insanity.
No parent should have to worry that giving their child a smartphone opens the door to abuse and exploitation.
Yes they should be. They should be extremely worried about that. They should be fucking parents and handle it. Not have big daddy government do it for them.
🎯 correct.
We feel mirror manufacturers should be held accountable for reflecting nudity by, of, from, or to minors.
And suddenly nudity becomes pornography.
And also, looking at one’s own body becomes something looking a lot like a sin one should not commit.I suppose the next logical step will be the reintroduction Victorian-like anti ‘self-abuse’ devices for young people? Have fun, kids
What a wonderful world we’re building.
Where are they drawing the nude/non nude line? If you don’t age verify and you take a picture can you be investigated?
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The language used in the entire thing is so off putting. Like they really really want you to believe is for the children. Also, the first country in the world that won’t allow children to share pictures of themselves nude? I had to chuckle at that (to be clear, I think children should not operate devices unattended to avoid stuff like this, but that should be parenting, not daddy government)
think children should not operate devices unattended to avoid stuff like this, but that should be parenting, not daddy government)
Same. The colateral damage of policies like this is just too much.
I’m not a parent but I do sympathize with parents in this day. I know they can’t supervise kids 24/7. Often the kids are more techy than the parents. Kids can run circles around them. I get that the internet is dangerous for kids. So is big-tech, IMO. Getting kids used to being vassals of big tech, that’s harmful in a differnet way. Plus, social media can harm their mental heath and development. It even makes them less empathetic, esp while their personalities are still developing.
I get all that! I want kids to be safe too! IDK what the right answer is. But it can’t be this. It can’t be total surveilence of every picture everyone takes! It can’t be turning control of every device over to Apple and Google, as the final authority. This guy warned us for good reasons.
There is a real prob with kids and tech. But we can’t, forgive the exp, throw the baby out with the bath water, and lose ultimate control of our own devices.
Teaching kids about openness and dangers of online activities is one of the best things to do. Make sure your kids feel safe to tell you what they are up to and you as a parent be also trusting on your kids judgment if they tell you the truth. Sure, some privacy is needed, but if something is up there is ground to talk about it.
Another thing not discussed at all is parents actually spending time on what the kids use as apps or understand their social life, to make sure you understand as a parent how something works or how the circle of friends look like.
I don’t know if parents monitoring children’s device usage is the right approach either. Kids, LGBT kids for example, should be able to have some privacy.
Parental controls are basically the only option here.
This is a bit of a different issue. This as more to do parents not feeling that being part of this group is normal or acceptable. Kids need privacy on devices to an extent, but should be closely checked if there are any red flags on groomers, scammers or similar encroaching in the kid’s life
How? How will they do this?
Oh, an always on, always watching government mandated app connecting to a centralized government server?
For the kids!
Obviously an AI will need to be monitoring your screen at all times.
I don’t care if kids see porn. They’ll live.
Stop fucking with adults and blaming that goal.
My ex exposed our kids to porn and it seriously messed with one of them. More than a year of counselling and they were still never the same. Only took until adulthood that they could really process it. Some kids I would imagine may unalive themselves over it if the level of depression and anxiety my kid went through is anything to go by.
I’m also a child sexual abuse survivor and was also exposed to porn as a kid and had issues because of it. It also took until adulthood for me to work through my sexual trauma and come to a place of mostly peace. But I am not likely to ever be 100% (even with the therapy I’ve had).
Porn has only gotten more extreme over time with some seriously fucked up shit.
So no, they may not survive and if they do, they don’t always come out of it mentally unscathed.
Porn exposure to kids is a form of sexual abuse and should be taken just as seriously.
may unalive themselves
Oh please stop that. We are not Tiktok here.
And it depends on the kid, the kind of porn they see (bdsm, skat) and how enlightened the kid is, that porn is not like reality.
I’m going to need more details. Everyone saw it as a kid. Like wtf were these people seeing that caused trauma? I could see ut being traumatizing if maybe it was CSAM or something.
Sure I’ll bite about what was a fucking awful time in our lives. I don’t know they saw because my kid was so traumatised they were unable to speak specifics. But they were able to draw some of it which I am not going to put in detail here for what should be obvious reasons. But it wasn’t vanilla that’s for sure. To adults, I’m sure it would be fine. To a kid it would look like violent abuse.
But hey, what would a fucking child abuse survivor and parent of a a kid who also suffered abuse know. Ffs, I thought I escaped Reddits gas lighting of abuse survivors and ignorance of academic studies which show the same.
I’m done with this convo.
The subtitle on that page is so arrogantly ignorant.
Hah yeah, “impossible”. I bet it will take 60 seconds after w/e Google and Apple do rolls out, for some kid to bypass it. From which, 60 more seconds for every other kid to learn how, from that kid.
And it won’t even solve the big harms that kids experience from tech. It won’t solve cyber bullying! It won’t solve the disinformation firehose. It won’t solve sextortion schemes. It won’t solve doxing. It won’t solve social media destroying their feeling of self worth. It won’t solve swatting. It won’t solve ANY of that shit.
Narrator: no, it won’t
I’m pretty sure big tech already had access to all of your pictures, and I don’t think this means the UK government will gain access, they don’t even know what to do with it anyway.
I mean they explicitly say it should be done in a way so that no data leaves the device.
They’re asking for something that will most likely require some server interaction, and can be modified to include more things the government doesn’t like (mostly if Farage takes power at some point). It would be insane to think this is all well and good.
Plus, I’m wondering how you do it without data leaving the device. All I can think of is an AI model that willl process every picture. You can’t compare to known hashes, b/c it’s a novel picture out of the camera. The device has to judge it somehow.
If there’s an AI model, you’ll have false positives and false negatives. And gray areas, where even reasonable humans would disagree. Since false negatives are way more legally risky, co’s will err waaaaaaaay on the side of false positives. Which will block totally innocent pics. And gender diffs in what’s socially accepted, and the AI will get that wrong a lot.
Gonna be a mess.
