Why are people supporting this insane view is so strange to me. The results of no industrial revolution would be a lack of medicine and widespread famine, on a scale no place on earth has ever seen.
If you care about the health of disabled people, if you care about minorities, if you care about workers, then this view is untenable. Its one step shy of full on fascism, “final solution” style. I have more sympathy for absolute misanthropy than this; at least it’s honest.
Kaczynski was the proto Incel-Shooter.
Had his head way up his own ass, really weird thoughts on women and all this was somehow the fault of everybody else. Him getting glazed as somehow good or admirable leaves a real foul taste in my mouth every time.
Kaczynski was a quintessential reactionary ecofascist, no additional qualifier required. But a lot of people have their first encounter with radical social critique in his writings, so absent any further critical theory his direct acts are often categorized as romantic rebellion, rather than the grossly misdirected randomized murders that they were.
It’s quite the coincidence that as soon as there was a charismatic (In a way) Harvard grad with a CIA mind-control experiment in his past writing wheat pasted manifestos about technology as the root of all evil while he blew up civilian science researchers, NYTimes - The supposed dignified record of the political center - Was willing to post that shit in full page spread, unsolicited. They didn’t do anything of the sort for a certain charismatic alleged green mario, when he identified social class as the blame. It’s almost as if social hierarchy wants to skirt blame for it’s externalities and instead misdirect it onto scapegoats.
Slight correction, I believe the NYTimes printed Industrial Society and Its Future because Kaczynski told them he’d stop mailing bombs if they did. The FBI and Janet Reno (AG at the time) both pushed for it and its publication directly led to his brother recognizing the writing as Ted’s and his subsequent capture.
A desire to return to the norm of humanity for the last 15,000 years does not seem immediately similar to fascism. In fact, your immediate violent dismissal of it is concerning.
Those 15000 years were violent; death, disease and persecution were constant and everywhere. Oh and that return would reduce the population by at least ~80%. Anyone suggesting it would be good necessarily implicitly supports a global genocide.
Who do you think would suffer as a result, besides minorities and disabled people?
Well unfortunately, a global population crash is already in the cards whether you want it to or not. Not that I do want it to. I just think that it would have been better to have never had the population boom and now crash that the industrial revolution precipitated. I’m not saying I want to undo it, because as you said, it would kill people. I’m saying it would have been better for those people to have never existed at all.
More on OPs topic, the industrial revolution HAS been a disaster for humans and the planet. Look at the world. We have destroyed the ecosystems the world over. In 20 years, everyone alive will see very clearly what the suffering you described as happening in the middle ages was like. But now we have 8 billion people to enjoy it. Progress.
Why are people supporting this insane view is so strange to me. The results of no industrial revolution would be a lack of medicine and widespread famine, on a scale no place on earth has ever seen.
If you care about the health of disabled people, if you care about minorities, if you care about workers, then this view is untenable. Its one step shy of full on fascism, “final solution” style. I have more sympathy for absolute misanthropy than this; at least it’s honest.
It’s what the lack of historical materialism does to a mfer.
Kaczynski was the proto Incel-Shooter.
Had his head way up his own ass, really weird thoughts on women and all this was somehow the fault of everybody else. Him getting glazed as somehow good or admirable leaves a real foul taste in my mouth every time.
Kaczynski was a quintessential reactionary ecofascist, no additional qualifier required. But a lot of people have their first encounter with radical social critique in his writings, so absent any further critical theory his direct acts are often categorized as romantic rebellion, rather than the grossly misdirected randomized murders that they were.
It’s quite the coincidence that as soon as there was a charismatic (In a way) Harvard grad with a CIA mind-control experiment in his past writing wheat pasted manifestos about technology as the root of all evil while he blew up civilian science researchers, NYTimes - The supposed dignified record of the political center - Was willing to post that shit in full page spread, unsolicited. They didn’t do anything of the sort for a certain charismatic alleged green mario, when he identified social class as the blame. It’s almost as if social hierarchy wants to skirt blame for it’s externalities and instead misdirect it onto scapegoats.
Slight correction, I believe the NYTimes printed Industrial Society and Its Future because Kaczynski told them he’d stop mailing bombs if they did. The FBI and Janet Reno (AG at the time) both pushed for it and its publication directly led to his brother recognizing the writing as Ted’s and his subsequent capture.
the industrial revolution could have been done without capitalism actively choosing to destroy so many lives in the name of profit…
This is squarely to blame on capitalism.
most everything is.
A desire to return to the norm of humanity for the last 15,000 years does not seem immediately similar to fascism. In fact, your immediate violent dismissal of it is concerning.
Those 15000 years were violent; death, disease and persecution were constant and everywhere. Oh and that return would reduce the population by at least ~80%. Anyone suggesting it would be good necessarily implicitly supports a global genocide.
Who do you think would suffer as a result, besides minorities and disabled people?
Well unfortunately, a global population crash is already in the cards whether you want it to or not. Not that I do want it to. I just think that it would have been better to have never had the population boom and now crash that the industrial revolution precipitated. I’m not saying I want to undo it, because as you said, it would kill people. I’m saying it would have been better for those people to have never existed at all.
More on OPs topic, the industrial revolution HAS been a disaster for humans and the planet. Look at the world. We have destroyed the ecosystems the world over. In 20 years, everyone alive will see very clearly what the suffering you described as happening in the middle ages was like. But now we have 8 billion people to enjoy it. Progress.