I’m not moving around from one point to another. I am simply stating that a majority of home users do not need the reliability and operate off of larger tolerances. Reliability costs money. If you need it, good for you. But a majority of people (including those in tech) do not need it, otherwise we’d all be on infiniband and ditching Ethernet by now. There is nothing wrong with a wireless transport, beam forming tech has come a long way to minimize interference, and direct point to point wireless IS faster than underground fiber with no retransmissions.
I’ve been in networking research for more than half a decade now, spanning from various forms of wireless (RFID, LoRA, wifi, 4G, 5G, etc) to wired Ethernet (1Gbps, 100Gbps, 800Gbps), at both the transport level and protocol level (Ethernet, IP, NDN, RoCE, TCP, QUIC, BGP). I’ve taught courses on how these things work. Before that, I was in IT networking for 4 years. From what we’ve seen, no matter how good you say they are, ISP and carrier operators inevitably screw it up on the configuration end (because they are human). BGP, NAT, 5G mobility are all a buggy mess because of this. When it comes to deploying new tech, corners are always cut and it comes back to bite people in the end. Wireless transport is fine, it’s human error that plagues both wired and wireless tech.
Shortwave for trading isn’t some “legacy shit”, it’s where industry and research is headed in the last decade. Your dismissal of new technology and skills is indicative of what this argument has been about: you start from your conclusion and dismiss all evidence before you even think. Issuing blanket statements that are too broad in scope. Everything I said has been quantified with specific assumptions and conditions.
You keep trying to convince me that because someone can make a mistake there is no difference between the two. You are not a network guy or you would accept just because someone occasionally fat fingers a table entry on BGP it doesn’t brink a hard link down to the less reliable wireless links. Everything you have said is basically a amateurs view of it. I get it you like wireless and you don’t think that wireless link you have is connected to any routers that use a hard link or BGP. I’m done I said earlier I couldn’t convince you simply because you lack the experience to make such a statement.
You are not a network guy or you would accept just because someone occasionally fat fingers a table entry on BGP it doesn’t brink a hard link down to the less reliable wireless links.
If it wasn’t for me trying to keep my anonymity on the platform, I would love to give credentials for this. You refuse to see anything other than the densest approach with zero regard in proper networking theory, algorithmics, and beyond. YOU are not a networking guy, you are a cable install guy. You refuse to give any evidence other than ad-hoc experience, refusing to elaborate other than repeat the same thing over and over again, now claiming my “amateur understanding” as your defense. As soon as I mentioned BGP issues, your mind defaulted to “a guy making typos”, not the difficulty of algorithmic verification for BGP or the implementation differences between different vendors hardware, or the different use of metrics between different ISPs. YOU are the amateur here, exhibited by your refusal to address any of my points heads on, and misconstruing my point of practical networking errors makes it similarly impossible of hitting certain SLAs on residential networks, regardless of wireless or not. The fact that it’s wireless or not does not matter, you are NOT hitting 4 nines availability, you do NOT NEED 4 nines availability. And you are the one making strawman arguments claiming I don’t know wireless going through BGP.
Everything you said just re-enforces the problems of industry - move fast, break things, fix them never. No need to understand anything because “everything current just works and anything else is the spawn of Satan”. It’s people like you that IP is dead, nothing but TCP and UDP can make it across the Internet.
I’m not moving around from one point to another. I am simply stating that a majority of home users do not need the reliability and operate off of larger tolerances. Reliability costs money. If you need it, good for you. But a majority of people (including those in tech) do not need it, otherwise we’d all be on infiniband and ditching Ethernet by now. There is nothing wrong with a wireless transport, beam forming tech has come a long way to minimize interference, and direct point to point wireless IS faster than underground fiber with no retransmissions.
I’ve been in networking research for more than half a decade now, spanning from various forms of wireless (RFID, LoRA, wifi, 4G, 5G, etc) to wired Ethernet (1Gbps, 100Gbps, 800Gbps), at both the transport level and protocol level (Ethernet, IP, NDN, RoCE, TCP, QUIC, BGP). I’ve taught courses on how these things work. Before that, I was in IT networking for 4 years. From what we’ve seen, no matter how good you say they are, ISP and carrier operators inevitably screw it up on the configuration end (because they are human). BGP, NAT, 5G mobility are all a buggy mess because of this. When it comes to deploying new tech, corners are always cut and it comes back to bite people in the end. Wireless transport is fine, it’s human error that plagues both wired and wireless tech.
Shortwave for trading isn’t some “legacy shit”, it’s where industry and research is headed in the last decade. Your dismissal of new technology and skills is indicative of what this argument has been about: you start from your conclusion and dismiss all evidence before you even think. Issuing blanket statements that are too broad in scope. Everything I said has been quantified with specific assumptions and conditions.
You keep trying to convince me that because someone can make a mistake there is no difference between the two. You are not a network guy or you would accept just because someone occasionally fat fingers a table entry on BGP it doesn’t brink a hard link down to the less reliable wireless links. Everything you have said is basically a amateurs view of it. I get it you like wireless and you don’t think that wireless link you have is connected to any routers that use a hard link or BGP. I’m done I said earlier I couldn’t convince you simply because you lack the experience to make such a statement.
If it wasn’t for me trying to keep my anonymity on the platform, I would love to give credentials for this. You refuse to see anything other than the densest approach with zero regard in proper networking theory, algorithmics, and beyond. YOU are not a networking guy, you are a cable install guy. You refuse to give any evidence other than ad-hoc experience, refusing to elaborate other than repeat the same thing over and over again, now claiming my “amateur understanding” as your defense. As soon as I mentioned BGP issues, your mind defaulted to “a guy making typos”, not the difficulty of algorithmic verification for BGP or the implementation differences between different vendors hardware, or the different use of metrics between different ISPs. YOU are the amateur here, exhibited by your refusal to address any of my points heads on, and misconstruing my point of practical networking errors makes it similarly impossible of hitting certain SLAs on residential networks, regardless of wireless or not. The fact that it’s wireless or not does not matter, you are NOT hitting 4 nines availability, you do NOT NEED 4 nines availability. And you are the one making strawman arguments claiming I don’t know wireless going through BGP.
Everything you said just re-enforces the problems of industry - move fast, break things, fix them never. No need to understand anything because “everything current just works and anything else is the spawn of Satan”. It’s people like you that IP is dead, nothing but TCP and UDP can make it across the Internet.