Cuba seems the best example to me. PRV is not a great place for many of it’s residents, and certainly not a life I want to live.

I didn’t support anything I’m just not an extremist zealot so I can understand that a bad situation can get worse. Gaza was a genocide under the Dems but under Trump it will no longer exist. If you can’t see that difference I truly feel very sorry for you.

If China is the kind of socialism you all are talking about, I’m good.

Ahh yes, the demise where it is in place in literally every country on the planet and right wing parties are gaining momentum everywhere. What are you actually talking about?

I don’t vote for a genocide. Neither party is going to fully control Israel. Allowing Trump to take office was the true worst case scenario for Gaza and it’s people and that is proven more true everyday. The only reality is that more Palestinians are dead because Trump is the President and they now have no shot at any sort of future as an independent nation because Trump became President. If you didn’t vote for Kamala and could have you are responsible for that but your fanatascism and lack of awareness allow you to lie to yourself. If you actually gave a shit about the people over your narrative . . .

Right, but it’s currently the only system in use anywhere. It is truly a despicable way of life that will likely cause the end of this planet but I am 99% sure that allowing it to be completely controlled by billionaire tech edge lords and racist incels is not a better outcome than Kamala. This isn’t about being the entire game plan and effort but allowing the further right party gain control by not voting just doesn’t make any sense to me. Every single president of my lifetime has sucked but the damage done by Bush with Homeland Security shit and what Trump is doing with ICE is honestly detrimental enough that ignoring it is fucking weird to me. Again, I do not like the DNC but I understand the dystopian nature of the country I live in and the true hopelessness of third party votes. The DNC will never get a penny from me unless hell freezes over and they run actual leftists, but they will get my vote because I can’t picture a single scenario where anyone’s life is improved when Republicans are in control.

The far right seems to be winning both the culture war and the political war. This was unimaginable 15 years ago.

Because NYC has proof the DNC is not far enough left to achieve their goals. Everywhere else the DNC can be used as a leftist Boogeyman.

Because in the US not voting always favors the conservative party. Do any of you have any knowledge history?

It’s not though. He came to power through a strong propaganda network, he is actually just continuing liberal policies.

Because leftists are pushing the youth towards the right. There are way more lil Nazis then there ever have been. Y’all are the reactionary assholes that assume I have to love the DNC, quite the opposite. I can however, see reality.

I very much understand all of this. Do you truly prefer maga? You would rather have ICE raids than student loan forgiveness? You would rather have Medicaid cuts than the CHIPS act. I am not a liberal but I have to admit I am extremely embarrassed by the short sightedness and lack of care from modern leftists. Letting Trump won is causing so much harm to people who don’t deserve it. Is the DNC the answer, fuck no. But letting republicans win everything is clearly pushing America to the far right.

I’ve never encountered this type of liberal. Neolib, sure.

I’m more of a last couple hours of work grumpy.

I hope you get paid well to be like this.