Reddit mods…

!privacy@programming.dev for people unaware

If Piefed was more widespread, mods would be able to only allow downvotes from subscribers, making brigading more difficult.

One day…

Here’s the approach I’d take now:

You didn’t answer for !movies@piefed.social. Would you do the same?

On that point, I see it differently. The way I see it, I’m providing these communities with an audience, not the other way around. A lot of people join in or comment because they’re already familiar with my Akkoma account first.

It depends on the community. For !fediversenews@piefed.social it might be true (and I say might because active posters like @Sunshine@piefed.ca maybe just discovered your community here on Piefed, not from Friendica)

For !movies@piefed.social, !movies@lemm.ee was among the top 100 most active communities on the Lemmy/Piefed, so it’s definitely different.

But just as important, I’ve been an early adopter of Piefed and probably one of its most vocal evangelists. When I create a new community, it often gains traction quickly simply because I’m already out there championing the platform.

That’s really why I start new communities—to keep momentum going and to help Piefed grow.

You’re not really addressing the distinction I made: either communities are for a wide target audience with more laxist rules, like !movies@piefed.social (by the way, if someone called someone else ‘bro’, would they not be considered civil on !movies@piefed.social ? What if they call you ‘bro’ ? ), or they are more of a smaller community thing with tigher rules, like !videogames@piefed.social seems to be based on the current activity, especially compared to !gaming@lemmy.world or !games@sh.itjust.works

!fediversenews@piefed.social seemed like it was a general community, but your decision about it made it more of a small community with stricter rules, and it seems this is where the issue comes from. If people had known from the start that it was mostly your community with your rules, they would have probably posted on !fediverse@piefed.social and let you do whatever you want on !fediversenews@piefed.social

In other words, if you want a community to reach a wider audience, the rules need to be acceptable by a wider audience as well

Let me ask you honestly—not rhetorically—what would you see as both practical and kind in a situation like that? I truly want to understand.

“bro” is a commonly accepted term on the Internet today. If I had to ban it on my communities, I would add this in the rules, even potentially with a link to a post with an extensive list of banned terms. That way it’s clear for everyone.

From that point on, I promised myself that if something wasn’t clear, I’d do my best to make it clear. At first, I did that with public notes, but then I was told private messages were kinder. So I shifted. Then I listened to more feedback—but this time, things still didn’t work out.

The context were probably different. For moderation decision regarding brigading with non subscribers downvotes, private messages can work better, as users prefer to keep their votes private.

For rules decision, public communication is better, see above.

And this is where the challenge comes in: moderation takes time, it’s unpaid, and when you step into it, you often end up facing dogpiles and harassment.

I’m well aware, but a lot of mods can still mod and step in without being considered power tripping. One important part is to make the rules you apply public, as I said already.

The truth is, I’m the main contributor in most of my communities. I spend hours every day creating original posts to keep them alive. Given that, it’s hard to see what purpose it serves me—or anyone—if a wave of people shows up only to harass.

There are two options for you

1. Join communities where other posters are already active, so that you don’t feel like the other person in charge of keeping them alive. Those communities will probably have other mods and rules that you’ll have to follow.
2. Be transparent about the fact that the communities are mostly your blogs with comments, and state that clearly in the rules. Something like “This is my community about X, here are the rules”. That way people clearly know what to expect.

No, you’re correct.

Just like how they walked back we need to give flat earthers equal attention to actual science. (ie say will provide update then never do)

For people curious: https://lemmy.world/post/24135976

I said it elsewhere, private messaging shouldn’t be used for communicating rules, those should be made public, but if you decide to use private messaging to explain a rule, expect it to be made public, that’s just fair play with the users.

ChatGPT can’t be used to make polite and kind a message that cannot be made that way due to its unreasonable nature.

I didn’t try to reach out to you as you never made any problematic decision on !movies@piefed.social . What you do on other communities are your decisions, I didn’t feel like I should intervene on that

We just discussed it on the Piefed Zulip space, a warning is going to be added, potentially even removing the possibility as you suggested

I didn’t put you on blast, I provided context of previous events, including the ban reversals.

I thought was a kind and gentle way.

We are probably going to disagree here, but messaging people about using a word as common as “bro” today and threatening them from a ban if they reiterate doesn’t really seem kind or gentle.

publicly posted private messages

Messages sent to users from mods threatening them from being banned should be allowed to be made public, as bans should be related to a rule, and rules should be public.

And I do hope you don’t think “go harass a mod” is the right response to situations like this. If something like that ever happened to you on !movies@piefed.social, I would absolutely stand up for you and shut it down without hesitation.

I’ve been on the other side of power tripping, on a movies community no less, so wouldn’t be so categoric about “stand up for the mod”.

https://lemmy.zip/post/25898384?scrollToComments=true

Tl,dr: power tripping mod perma banned me from a community I built, instance admin didn’t want to intervene as it was against their admin policy. It took me months to rebuild that community elsewhere, and that’s probably why I’m very cautious with power tripping mods since then.

Being a mod on Piefed/Lemmy requires more transparency than on other platforms due to the transparency of the mod actions and the federated nature of the platform.

Users here have choices between several versions of the same community, they will usually avoid the ones where the mods are enforcing what they perceive as arbitrary decisions.

Harassment is never a good thing, but mods are also accountable for their actions.

If you have doubts about how your rules or actions will be perceived, feel free to ask on !fedigrow@lemmy.zip where other mods can discuss it with you.

Seems more efficient to express this kind of guidelines publicly, especially for words as common nowadays as “bro”

I doesn’t seem like keeping the approach private would have changed much anyway, you would have reached to someone else, who would have ignored you to see if you were serious with it, then that person would have created a report similar to this one.

What is your setting for “Accept messages from”?

you had asked me directly to clarify my stance again in public, I would have done so gladly.

Do you think that if you had posted “calling me ‘bro’ on this community is going to get you banned” it would have had a different outcome than what happened?

You can test this yourself: start a private message on piefed.social with someone on a remote server. You won’t get their reply. DMs only work if both parties are on piefed.social.

That’s an issue that hasn’t been reported yet

@rimu@piefed.social @wjs018@piefed.social @Skavau@piefed.social

But if everybody keeps dogs piling on him and making this worse for him, it’s not going to allow him to see this in any way other than him being bullied. And to be honest, in a certain extent, that will be a correct way of seeing this. I want people to be able to learn from mistakes and grow and be better.

That’s nice of you.

Unfortunately in this case, this isn’t the first time he’s featured in this community, the other post got removed for whatever reason. The only remaining evidence of that is

• https://atomicpoet.org/@atomicpoet/posts/Ay5OFI2Zn58pA79rAO
• most of those bans have been reverted since then: https://lemmy.zip/modlog/1364327

For example, let’s say I’m talking to somebody in a comment thread. The entire thread can get wiped out if the thread’s OP decides to delete the post, or a moderator removes the post, or a site admin removes the post

Been there too. Somehow now if I see a new account that looks suspicious and the thread is interesting I tend to archive.is it, just as a way to keep valuable comments around

Looks like piefed.social wants to be the new lemmy.world. lmao

A random mod getting power trippy in a community doesn’t equate piefed.social wanting to become Lemmy.world

As you’re well aware, LW has a power tripping mod on 3 of the 6 most active communities on the whole platform: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/53505862?scrollToComments=true

The mod reported here mostly mods communities where he’s the only poster.

Copy pasting my comment from another thread

The biggest exception to this is !movies@piefed.social. Looking through past mod actions, it doesn’t look like they are as strict in that community as with others, so I don’t feel the need to intervene. However, this is a situation that we will keep an eye on going forward.

Just to add to this, I review the mod actions in !movies@piefed.social regularly, if someone sees anything that should be reported, feel free to reach out to me on Matrix (my account is in my bio)

https://lemmy.zip/comment/21638313

Ah right, it’s been a while I last used Alexandrite!

TIL!

Looks like Tesseract, but not sure. @Stamets@lemmy.world ?