It also didn’t mean that those who were wronged by the American state should have remained silent and peaceful in front of mass killings perpetrated by all kind of administrations leading the American government. Especially when no legal recourse was given to them.
Were you an Arab who lost his entire family under American bombardments because of the oil stored in your nation soil wouldn’t you had wanted some kind of retaliation against that nation? Can you empathize at all?
Nobody’s asking you to “give Hasan a pass” but we’re asking you to see the Palestinian issue from the eyes of a neighbour who doesn’t see any recourse from the international community against the heinous acts perpetrated by the Israeli regime and the IDF against civilians in Gaza and other regions nearby. If nobody punishes a bully am I a bully myself if I intervene to defend the bullied person? I personally don’t think so, especially if the teachers and the principal constantly side with the bully against the bullied.
This will never sit well with me, I’ll personally take matters into my own hands anytime I see a situation where someone powerful acts against someone poor, especially when the institutions tasked with defending those who aren’t powerful sit in a corner fiddling their fingers and not acting in line with their declared objectives.
This being said I despise any kind of religious extremism (any religion at all in fact, but I don’t expect everybody to become atheist all of a sudden. I completely expect everybody not to be an extremists tho) so I also despise the founding reasons of Hamas, the houtis, the islamic brotherhood or any other religious organisation. But still I understand and justify their reasons for being in a fight against Israel.
I don’t understand and I don’t justify the stances of international organisations which should be defending the Palestinian people and who are the cause why I have to support religious extremists in this specific context (looking at UN aggressively)
There’s no concept of “casual bigotry” as there’s no “ranked bigotry”. A bigot is a bigot the same way as a nazi is a nazi even if he only shares a meal with other known nazis.
No amount of sane washing can change their nature, only re-education and facing consequences for their choices will.
It’s time to stop being polite and understanding with people who have no sense of community or care for others around them, keeping this attitude will never solve the problem. If you show mercy to this people they will continue to resent you while feeling as victims of an unjust system (in their eyes) and will continue to spread their worldview to their spawn presenting it as a “counterculture” to the mainstream way of life keeping this circle of hate and victimisation alive.
We have to break the circuit by showing to their faces why they aren’t adapt to be living among us and we need to be clear in our messaging, otherwise any small window we will leave they will use it to maintain their positions and preach their gospel of hatred.
It’s useless man, people are just looking at their finances and their fake freedoms (I can choose between McDonald’s and Popeye what to eat!!! Muh freedom!!!) to understand that they’ve lost their actual freedoms with the patriot act and a series of sweeping changes to the rule of law due to the “war on terror” the USA have brought on since the start of the 2000s. Before that it was an all out attack against economic freedoms, starting with the cancellation of the differentiation between investment and saving banks until the loss in regulations against malpractices brought forward by corporations.
The best slave is the one who think he is free because he won’t fight back under no circumstances. They cannot see any chains on their wrists but are unable to see the (always shorter) leash around their neck. And they would die defending their masters, thinking to be fighting the good fight.
We can just try to present our position as clearly as possible, we could be opening the eyes of someone reading our comments and that’s all that matter.
Keep on keeping on dude
Those people are not leftists, they are children who never grow out of their egoistic phase and are unable to see the world through any other point of view than theirs. They want it all and they don’t care about other human beings, especially if those are not in their “tribe” or “family”. They see life as a zero sum game where if they see someone gaining something this must mean they are loosing something else of the same value.
They need to be excluded from society and reformed if they wish to return to be a part of it. I’m not blaming them, I’m calling for their punishment and exclusion from any and all part of a just society, independent from them being lied to or not. You can be fooled only for so long if you don’t want to know the truth; if you are still being fooled after decades of lies you’re not being lied to, you want to be lied to and this, to me, makes you as culpable as the one telling you you his lies. Why could there be so little “reformed” maga today if this wasn’t the case? (And be careful, those who today say to have understood the pain inflicted by this administration we’re only able to do so because they were the recipient of such pain. Would Trump not have messed with the prices of their trinkets they would still be foaming at the mouth at his rallies)
We tried to re-educate nazis here in Europe after WW2 but, as you can see from the most recent election results, this has not bore any fruit. Nazis don’t understand reason, they only understand violence and strength. The sooner you realise you have more in common with a bonobo than with a nazi the sooner you’ll realise they deserve nothing but scorn, contempt and a massive dose of violence to be kept in place.
Then your comment was such a load of shit that it was removed from a moderator. Either way the original comment we were replying to is no longer with us so I cannot tell the point you were arguing about in it, I inferred its contents from the first reply by NoneOfUrBusiness and the citations he provided with it.
Furthermore your reply to NoneOfUrBusiness answer to your original post was just a “no, you’re wrong and I’m right”. Such a level of discussion, you must be a sage in your community. If your community is a kindergarden .
Lastly you can have opinions, too bad they are shit opinions not supported by facts
If you still think like this after a first 4 years term in which Trump already showed his antidemocratic tendencies and another 4 years in which he only attacked his opposed political party doing nothing to find common ground with the other aisle in the interest of the common good, well, I don’t know how to tell you this but you are part of the problem as the 77 millions of people who voted for Trump in the last election.
If you’re unable to burst a bubble like the one surrounding the current GOP you shouldn’t be allowed to vote or express your ideas publicly. You don’t have the mental acuity necessary to form a coherent thought and you should be treated as such, until you prove yourself to have become better than whatever you are today.
It’s time to end this weak ass way to look at people who are actively supporting a fascist regime, stop justifying them and hold them accountable for their choices. Cut all contacts with them, work against them, antagonise them in any way you can. Stop pretending they are good people being lied to: they are bad people looking for someone who will lie to allow themselves to follow their worst instincts and then turn around when everything will be over saying “I was just following orders”
And yet you’re the one who cancelled his comment. Pray tell, is it not true that the rise in American authoritarianism started in the late 60es, when the government started to act in spite of what public opinions thought about its action in foreign countries and wars? If not, can you please post any proof supporting this thesis of yours? Because it’s sure as he’ll that I, as many others, will never take your word for granted if you aren’t able to support it with factual information.
Take your head out if your ass and realise that American (like most of us in the “developed” world) have been bought with pearls and trinkets to subdue their reasoning capabilities and voices to capitalism and its venomous fruits. The sooner you accept this ACTUAL FACT the sooner you can start fighting the good fight against capitalism and its cronies (who may also be your friends and family; not all capitalists drive around in nice cars or live in big villas. Most of them are “momentarily embarrassed billionaires” or delusional victims as I like to call them)
Any god is an egregore, like any other thought or believe is. Santa, the black man, Allah, these are all egregore with more or less power according to the mental strength and energy of the believers which are part of these groups. Of course, as anything created by humans, egregore are fallible and presents various “defects” in their behaviours and actions. The most important thing is to always remember that egregores, being a byproduct of human though, are and always will be much less powerful than any human being. Take Yahweh or Allah and place it in front of an infant, they won’t be able to do shit as the child will be uneffected by the social knowledge about these entities and thus will be receptive to their true form, which is one of ethereal beings having no control on the physical world. Anything they can do they do because we give them the power to do so, once we realise they are no more powerful than a breeze through the leaves their power crumble and they return to be what they truly are, invisible and intangible leeches praying on our mental energy.
If you believe in spiritual teachings of course, otherwise please continue not believing in such things and cussing against god and/or the modern American Christian nationalist faith, the effect will be the same
The main difference between Christianity and atheism is that atheism is no organised movement. We don’t have a pope (no matter what Christians say about us, I don’t follow any of the so called “leaders” of the atheist movement like richard dawkins and his positions on the trans right movement for instance) and we don’t have a centralised structure, we simply don’t believe in ANY god.
On the other hand there is Christianity and all organised religions which, as the name suggests, are ORGANISED around a central set of dogmas which are intended to be accepted as gospel by all their members. If you’re part of one of such religions you implicitly accept all their teachings as true and you support their message and actions. If you don’t want to be lump in with all other cultists following these directions please remove yourself from this specific group or shut the hell up.
Thank you for coming to my ted talk, I’ll be here as long as needed
Or they shouldn’t be indoctrinated at all but just nurtured and taught? I mean, I get both your positions but we have to face the fact that religions ask their followers blind devotion to their principles without providing proof or logical reasoning, while schools, families and societies usually are able to explain the reasons why certain things are done in certain ways (usually for the common good).
Why should we keep on sending kids to education camps like after school christian classes? Here in Italy we have loads of pupils being taught christianity because “everybody goes to catechismo” (n.b. catechismo Is the name given to these education classes where you are taught how christianity is the only true religion and everybody else is wrong about their gods and beliefs), it should be high time that these would be eliminated in favour of a more general education about religions at 360°. Children should be taught about christianity, islam, buddhismo, zoroastrismo, paganism and all belief systems to understand why they exist and which role they occupy in our lives. This or we can continue with the standard indoctrination because removing it would be harmful against the indoctrination itself as you messages suggest
He hasn’t had anyone from the Netanyahu administration on his stream. Maybe you’re mistaking him with someone else