GlueBear

Yeah, thank you for the discussion. I’ll read more closely next time

In regards to zionism honestly all arguments about “80% jews support it” miss the forest for the trees. Is there something innate in Jews that predisposes them towards genocide? This is the actual question. And you have two answers: either it’s a yes and so you must genocide them before they genocide you (the mysticist idealist pov), or it’s a no and there can be judaism without zionism (the materialist pov).

Right, so genocide is never the answer for any reason whatsoever. Period. That idea validates genocide as a means to an end/ “self defense”, and quite frankly sounds like a Zionist argument trying to defend why Jews/Judaism absolutely requires genocide. We can point out societal problems that different groups of peoples have (and every nation on earth that has ever and will ever exist had/has/will have problems) in an effort to get them addressed in a nonviolent manner. There is only 1 answer if we are being honest and two answers if we’re being fascists.

Contrary to popular belief: it’s actually in the material interest for Jews to be Zionists the same way it’s a material interest for whites to be white supremacists. Absolutely being a piece of shit has its material benefits, but you shouldn’t do that because it’s unethical and morally reprehensible. Similarly, everyone here is a communist because it’s the most ethical and morally good thing to support; not because productive forces line go up.

The reason you see so many anti-zionist/non-zionist Jews isn’t because they’re afraid of the " material consequences" of being a genocide supporter, it’s because genocide is disgusting and any good hearted individual with a hint of sympathy and compassion will obviously be against it. Jew or otherwise.

I’m talking about the diaspora, not the entity. This is what I mean, the assumption that “Jewish” meant “Israeli” despite the previous sentence starting with “Outside of Israel”.

I apologize for not reading your comment properly. I was under the impression that we were still talking about the settlers.

I agree with you, stratification of demographics within the Jewish community (outside of the entity) would absolutely reveal patterns related to class and, especially, age.

The people who do support these things make themselves incredibly obvious very quickly, it’s easy to tell without having to guess.

There are a lot of good, polite, and well mannered people that support genocide. It’s like saying every maga dumbass is frothing at the mouth white trash that collects welfare and huffs paint. A good portion of maga look like decent people until you find out more about them.

I didn’t make myself clear in my previous comment. I wasn’t trying to conflate the entity with Jews/Judaism in general.

If you dig deeper into the polling, you’ll see large differences by age group and financial situation among Jewish people.

When it’s 98% of the Jewish population of the entity, I think we can safely say that it’s gonna look the same across stratifications. You don’t get differences in demographics when the overall is 98%.

Liberals do this

This is just no true Scotsman fallacy; yes there are absolutely communists that do this. Anyway my comment wasn’t just referring to communists alone, it was referring to everyone against the genocide.

Non-zionists and anti-zionist jews exist in large numbers

I’m not doubting this, I’m just saying that people really need to point out that Jews supporting genocide is a massive problem within the Jewish community. I think I’m being generous when I say that for every non-zionist/antizionist jew there is a genocide supporting/Zionist jew. That’s not something I see addressed the way it needs to be, and the excessive coddling is absurd. Especially when other groups have been questioned significantly more for significantly less.

This is really the crux of the issue. For some reason people on the left are ready to give Jews (not all of them) a pass for being genocide supporters simply because they’re Jewish. The same cannot be said of their attitude towards other genocide supporters who are of a different race.

It’s like the dumbasses who think the problem is netanyahu and not the 98% of Jewish isntraelis who:

1. Make up majority of the occupation soldiers/genocidaires

2. Consistently vote for the same government they have no problem removed about and blaming the entire genocide on

3. Overwhelmingly support the extermination of a nation of people

It’s just pathetic and quite frankly I’m sick and tired of hearing the excuses. B.E is breath of fresh air in this regard.

No one wants to name the actual problem.