SomeLemmyUser

Dont try to explain that to a .ml! It will weaken their cozy black n white worldview and make them feel Bad!

And both are true… But people are to narrowminded their imperialsist country is also shit like any other

Says the tankie who refuses to see beyond the wall of Russian brainwashing

“Der hauptfeind steht im eigenen land” -Karl Liebknecht.

True for both western and eastern country’s comrade ;)

Dont get fooled by the .ml brigade. The large majority of communists are not tankies simping for imperialist Russia but very aware that those imperialist powers need to be fought to establish a just society. We mostly just focus on the imperialist country we are living in

Der hauptfeind steht im eigenen land (the main enemy is in ones own country) -Karl Liebknecht

Hahaha putting Stalin in s tier, seldom seen something so delusional

Removed by mod

Apparently posting distrust in OPs honest intentions ist not only against rule one (uncivil) but also against rule two (repost) even though i never participated in any discussion about that topic ^^

Removed by mod

OP ist wondering if the/a meme is just poorly edited OR AI generated because this matters for whether he should get angry or not…

Pretty straight forward in my mind (Or used as in “is A true OR is B true?” - "if A is true --> don’t get angry ; if B is true --> get angry)

Its used like: “are you taller than 150cm or smaller than 150cm? Its an important question because it determines if you are allowed to ride this rolercoster OR not”

Spoken language “or” is different from programming “or”, where in the latter it could mean if either a or b is true, --> get angry AND not get angry. This is not how it is used here though.

I don’t understand. What is this comment saying? Sure one gets angry AFTER on has a reason to be. The meme points to the fact, that it is often times hard to check, if the image is ai OR if it is just poorly edited. What is there not to understand?

How about being against Imperialists as well as fascists but not calling an attempt to divide the working class by skin color in some f*ed up version of positive racism “based”? Ever heard of the concept of international solidarity?

Cool that that’s your opinion, I have the opinion that one can generally judge actions by their nature. In my opinion raping someone is bad, Using nuclear warheads is bad, using the military against (any) civilians is bad, and especially if it is against your own people they are supposed to protect.

This doesnt mean I have to have a black and white opinion which will never under any circumstances change, but I generally condemned such actions. The goal in my opinion must always be to move towards a peacefull and just society without oppression, if the outcome is the killing/opressing of your own people there is something fundamentally flawed with the system which needs to be addressed.

To play the game:

I have seen people call capitalists “left” because they wanna make “social democracy” capitalism, I have seen people called right wing who literally wanted a dictatorship without markets. Those terms can refer to anything an are meaningless in today’s discourse.

What would you do when the “doppelte ausrufung der republic” happens in Germany? Would you say the socialists there where right wing because a lot of them were in favor of (deeply controlled) capitalistic markets?

–> you see, those ways of argumenting simply don’t actually make a point.

You are not making a point by asking those questions…

If you think those where legitimate actions but generally think of yourself not as an authoritarian kind of person and in your book you don’t fall under the definition of tankie, you may very well think so.

I believe many people would argue that if you are in favor of any kind of violence against the own civil populations with the army this brings you over the edge. But even if so, this doesn’t make you as as person atankie, no questions asked, case done.

You can be generally against nuclear power except in one very specific case, scientific long time submarines for example, this doesn’t make you a nuclear enthusiast. In my oppinion its the same with tankie, but if you find an excuse for every or nearly all instances (by socialist/left/eastern block) it paints a picture that suggests you may be generally in favor of such measures if they are done by an entity you sympathise with, which would make the term fitting in my opinion

If you believe the term can refer to entities who are not on the left wing side of the political spectrum, you may be in a minority. But one could of course take those positions… I would strongly disagree with this one personally though, and I don’t think this is how a lot of people use the term. I think most people use it to describe a portion of the socialist/communist spectrum, again the boundary is blurry but the direction is quite clear. (which gives you the answer for most of your questiom btw.)

Now let’s turn the table:

Do you think the terms “left-wing” and “right-wing” are meangless/useless?

If not could you please define them for me?

Edit: some typos Also: you keep referring to states, which of course helps some ways of your argumentation but I think its mostly used for people, not nations

Please refer to the other 3 times in this thread where I defined it, I suppose you are able to scroll 1-2 screens up

Same, never experinced problems with misusage of the term (in real life). When i mentioned this in another thread, someone chimed in and stayed they were experiencing it constantly for no reason and also leftist around him would be called that. Later that discussion it was revealed that he thinks everyone who doesn’t agree with Stalins policy is not (true) left…

I hear waaaaayyy more complaining about the term tankie from actual tankies than I hear people using it as a general slur against left people.

So if I call a car a giraffe the word giraffe looses its meaning and becomes invalid?

Misusage of terms doesn’t cancel out the concept these words refer to lul

If it would in would just call my bake rolls fascists, so the fascists go away

Tankie: Someone who is authoritarian to a degree he sees using the army (tanks) against the own civilian population as a valid and legitimate action. Sometimes used as slur by people against those measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory) or as (positive) self reference by people in favor of such measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory)

Woke: from civil right movement, someone who is weary of loyalty to the state and instead examines society/policy/politics himself. - in modern times used as slur against progressive and ecological conscious people by right wing people.

Tankie: Someone who is authoritarian to a degree he sees using the army (tanks) against the own civilian population as a valid and legitimate action. Sometimes used as slur by people against those measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory) or as (positive) self reference by people in favor of such measures (or generally highly authoritarian top down approaches of state theory)

Don’t know what your problem is defining both.

EDIT: Not to be confused with “I know exactly who a tankie is and who isn’t - my definition is 100% correct” or even “there are exact boundaries and conditions to what a tankie is”

Its like “peace”, " progressive", “right-wing”, different people will give you different definitions, my point is, that there is a concept to which the word refers and different interpretations/ambiguities don’t render the term useless simply by existing.

Are tankies conspiring to repeat the “tankie is a meaningless term” mantra till someone believes them?