Well, looks like we got ourselves a reader!

Someone who sucks because the second half doesn’t even fucking rhyme. Like that’s the best you could do?? You’d be second in a poetry competition/rap battle as well.

The slaves for sure, but it also creates a situation where the powerful may not be giving enough food to their security forces, and their security forces turn on them, joining the slaves in outright rebellion.

Not that this will bring more food in, but it could result in some of those “powerful” people suddenly not being so powerful.

Security through obscurity isn’t security.

There goes my excuse for not giving up and just paying for Unraid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQBWGo7pef8

This is where I first remember hearing this tale, in this old Schoolhouse Rock parody that was in protest of the War in Iraq.

FUCK YEAH

Precedent only applies equally if we are able to prove the same in court as Meta did. Are you going to need petabytes of pirated data to train your AI? Can you afford a team of top quality lawyers to fight your case and prove you were training a small locally-hosted AI at home? Do you think Meta, of all companies, really is fighting for you to be able to do the same as them? You will still get taken to court, you will still have to fight your case, “precedent” isn’t an automatic get out of jail free card. Do you have the money to fight massive copyright holders with endless money? Of course you don’t, none of us do.

Second verse, same as the first.

There isn’t a good winner in this, both outcomes suck, but one slightly less than the other. If Meta wins, it will not trickle down to regular people’s usage of bittorrent being considered fair use, I can guarantee you that. If the copyright holders win, the outcomes still sucks, but at least large corporations will be held to the same standards as regular people instead of having another exception carved out for corporations to be able to do what is considered a crime for regular people.

There isn’t a movement to change copyright like their used to be. There isn’t a viable North American Pirate Party. Those days are gone, and have been for a long time. I remember the movement and how big it was for a while. We never got mainstream acceptance or appeal and we all started getting old and young people stopped paying attention for the most part.

Like I said, I’d rather copyright law be changed, but that’s not what will happen here. You don’t get new laws crafted out of court case wins and losses, that’s not how this works, laws are crafted in congress.

Meta is running all this on the claim that they need this to train their AI, which is all fine and good, but them winning won’t make it so I can make the same claim if I get caught pirating. Why? Because the copyright lawyers will argue reasonably that I didn’t pirate enough data to build an AI and so I can’t be held to the same standard as Meta, who absolutely needed thousands of terabytes of data to train theirs. The scales are totally different and the scale of their operation is part of their argument, that because of the scale of their AI, that there’s no way they could conceivably train it without going broke paying copyright holders. If I am caught pirating a 1/10000th of the same data as they are, the copyright holders will claim, very easily, that I cannot possibly be building the same kind of AI that Meta is building because I would need way more data for that, and that I must be held to account because I must not be actually using it for AI. People like you and me can’t afford a team of high profile lawyers to argue our cases, and so we will lose, precedent simply won’t apply to us.

Meta winning will just make it so there’s another avenue for corporations to do whatever the fuck they want while people like you and me still have to follow draconian absurd copyright laws. Laws are made in congress, and copyright length can only be changed by bills in congress becoming law. The outcome of this court case is bad either way but it is marginally less bad for people like us to at least have corporations held to the same standard we are.

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Final note, even if copyright law does get changed in congress, it will be because groups like OpenAI and Meta will lobby the government to change it, and they will not lobby for regular people to get the same rights because they don’t want regular people building their own AIs. Like I said, both outcomes here suck ass, but these giant corporations are not and never will be fighting for people like you and I to have reasonable fair use laws. They will lobby for them to be able to do it, once again, based on their sheer scale, so nobody else can compete or make truly open products in their own home. They want ownership over the process, they won’t send lobbyists in to help regular people, they send lobbyists in to help themselves.

This applies doubly so to Meta, if you know anything about Zuckerberg or the company, you’d know out of everyone he is ruthless and will do absolutely anything to crush nascent competition.

You repeating that I am cheering them on does not make it true. Get some reading comprehension. I repeat, you’re being obtuse.

Dude, I have been promoting copyright law being changed and being shortened for 25 fucking years.

Do you even know who Rufus Pollock is or anything about his research into copyright lengths? Because I was around when that shit was published. I hosted DJ Danger Mouse’s Grey Album on Grey Tuesday as a fuck you to the Beatles copyright holders since the Grey Album should have been considered fair use as it was released for free with no profit at all. I was part of the Kopimi collective.

Not wanting corporations to get a pass while we all get fucked is not the same thing. You’re not being mean, you’re being obtuse.

You don’t make history by selling quality copper or following through on a deal, that’s for sure.

What kind of “better law” do you think will come out of this? That regular people like us will be able to share freely?

You think that the law being applied on poor people but not on the wealthy is a healthy way to get a better law?

Get the fuck real and nobody is asking for the copyright cabal to win as much as we are saying “look, if this is the how the law is going to be applied, apply it evenly, don’t just fuck over poor people but give the wealthy a pass.”

And poor people who don’t have the weight and money of Meta aren’t going to be able to prove that they need the same amount of data to train an LLM so they probably will still have the law held against them. Get fucking real man.

What country do you think you live in? One where laws are applied evenly or rationally? Or one where fascists have taken over the god damned government? Because guess what it’s the latter and the laws are effectively meaningless for the wealthy but still held against the poor. Sure, if that’s what you want, go for it, but it damn sure won’t suddenly get us better laws or let regular people torrent without worry. Congress has been deadlocked for decades and does nothing but hurt common people and give corporations a ticket to do whatever and you think better laws will come out of this? Seriously, once again, get fucking real.

Literally the first thing I said was in regards to more sensible copyright making this all a moot point but you do you.

The only reason Meta needs to get it is because it’s entirely hypocritical to all the dirt poor people who couldn’t afford these kind of lawyers. It doesn’t make the current legal status right or correct. It’s just a slap in the face to someone like Swartz who died over far less.

I would rather copyright be amended but sadly that’s less likely to happen here.

1. Shorter and more reasonable copyright lengths would make this a moot point because then there would sufficient literature in the public domain to pull from.

2. These kind of charges are what put the Pirate Bay admins in prison and caused Aaron Swartz to kill himself because of a threat of lifetime in prison. The claim that they did this either with the goal of profit or actually successful profit and that this was a serious crime. Neither TPB or Swartz at that point in time had ever moved as much data as Meta has for these claims, nor did they ever have the profit or possibility of profit Meta aims to make from their AI offerings.

3. Now Meta is claiming they’ve profited so hard you can’t possibly hold them accountable.

It will be the biggest “fuck you” in history to anyone ever hit with civil charges for piracy in the early 2000s, let alone the TPB admins and Swartz, if they let this go. Which means they probably will because in America, apparently if you crime hard enough and big enough they stop putting you in prison and start patting you on the back and calling it good business sense.

The Saudis and others are already considering pulling investments from the stock market in the USA to safe places due to this war.

Couple that with Iran potentially targeting important infrastructure in Saudi Arabia and the UAE such as desalination plants, which could cripple them domestically and we’re looking at a recipe for the US stock market tanking and the AI bubble bursting as it can no longer be floated by wealthy middle eastern investment.

On the one hand, religious fundamentalists are fucked in the head and just want violence and their opinions and feeling should be discarded.

On the other hand, while it’s in many ways commendable that the Iranian president wants peace, he is negotiating with a group of people who are not acting in good faith, and should probably himself remember the axiom “never obey in advance.”

It sounds like, essentially what you’re saying, I think. That if your mother lied or omitted information that would have led to a denial of her citizenship approval, and this is later discovered she will have her citizenship revoked, and you would also lose citizenship. Essentially because it would be considered that she committed fraud to obtain citizenship, and you by extension would be a benefactor of her fraud even if you were unaware of it.

However,it also sounds like if her citizenship is revoked for other reasons not involving fraudulent statements and covering up a past that would have barred her from citizenship, you will keep your citizenship providing you are in the US when hers is revoked.

That’s my very rough reading of it, and yeah, it’s a bunch of fucking legalese. It’s honestly frustrating that laws like this don’t have a “simple english wikipedia” equivalent to explain it to non-lawyers.

Also… it should be noted that laws seemingly mean nothing with respect to the current US regime and how they manage citizenship revocation.

yeah but what if

then the labor class better fucking get their ass in gear and start fighting for their rights again.