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Yeah so I’m not American. You’ve spent too much time on the internet, it’s made you hate everyone that doesn’t look like you. Maybe take a break from it? Hatred doesn’t achieve anything except destruction of yourself. Choose life over hatred.

Since yesterday, I may have spent some time listening to what Iranian people have to say about the subject. You’re assumption about it being like Afghanistan 2 is completely off.

The US has a record of replacing a dictator with even worse US friendly dictators. Not to mention if the regime doesn’t fall this will be a bloody campaign, the bombs alone can easily kill more than 30,000 Iranians.

The Israel-Hamas war lasted more than two years. Iran’s government killed about half the number killed in a two years long war in just two days. But you didn’t see too many photos of it so you pretend that a bombing campaign is going to be worse.

Why do you care so little about Iranians? If Israel killed 30,000 Palestinians in just two days would you still be “meh, don’t care, not my problem”?

Right now everyone in the resistance is saying to stay inside while the bombing campaign is happening. They will wait for the signal to start the uprising. Because obviously taking to the streets when there’s a bombing campaign happening is a really dumb thing to do.

Consider that this site might not be giving you all of the information about what’s happening in Iran.

No way to know how many will take to the streets when they’re told “it’s time”. Last time it was millions. The regime machine gunned down tens of thousands, bodies piled up in the streets, really horrific. This time I’d guess the resistance is going to have weapons air dropped to them and some drone support and intel. Should even things up.

There are very few people in Iran that don’t know someone that was executed by the regime and the IRGC is being decimated. If the members of the IRGC were smart, they’d get out while they can, though I don’t know who would take them. I suppose Russia is always looking for some more criminals to send to the front lines.

Best of luck to the resistance when the time comes.

What would be a worse situation than someone saying they want to destroy other countries while building nuclear weapons?

And you seem to be ignoring them massacring people by the tens of thousands. If you have the stomach for it maybe read a little bit about what happened in Iran in the last few months.

Or is it because Trump might not really care about it that means you don’t care about it either? What kind of logic is that?

Why is it you see Iranians on the streets with both the pre-republic Iranian flag along with the Israeli flag? Do you think they’re so naive that they don’t know anything about Israel or Gaza? Have you considered that what they’re going through has made them so desperate they will accept help from any country with the willingness to overthrow the Ayatollah?

Just because you’re not seeing imagery of the atrocities the Iranian government has done, doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. Piles of bodies on the streets 30,000 people executed in a 48 hour period and you’re talking about “well things could be worse!”

Maybe you hate Trump and Netanyahu, but do you have no empathy for the Iranians killed by the Ayatollah’s regime?

Like…I haven’t seen you say anything in favor of having a king, or of having this king in particular?

I have but you haven’t been paying attention. If you don’t have a King, people will create one. The US technically doesn’t have a King, but they’ve created on in Donald Trump in all but name. You don’t seem to think about any potential of a politician doing the things that you mention in all of these hypotheticals, but you worry greatly about an actual King doing them. And that’s the problem, a politician can become a tyrant without anyone noticing. If the King became a tyrant everyone would notice.

You label the King as a “genocidiers, looters, and pedophiles” even though he has not personally done those things. His brother has done some crimes, and he’s being prosecuted. When will Donald Trump or any of the billionaires in the US get prosecuted? Probably never.

And are you accusing the King of everything his ancestors have done? Sounds to me like you really believe in lineage stuff way more than I do. Seems unfair to judge someone for what their ancestors did. If there was no King would you be devoting time to researching what Mark Carney’s ancestors did and unfairly judging him for those things?

The monarchy acts as an emotional lightning rod for many people. All the emotional garbage whether it be grievance over things from the history books, nostalgia, or just a love of pomp and pageantry gets focused on the monarchy who are apolitical. That separates the emotional garbage from politics. Allows people to think about the actual policies the politician is proposing rather than some historical grievance or how “Presidential” they look. Americans keep voting in old coots out of nostalgia for some good times when Ronald Reagan was President. We still get a touch of that with Justin Trudeau benefiting from nostalgia over his father, but you’ll have a tough time arguing people had loyalty to him like he was a King.

Americans feel like they’re supposed to be loyal to the President and because of that they won’t remove a President from office even when he commits egregious crimes. The Prime Minister gets some degree of respect for the job, but a vote of no confidence is something much more likely to happen as it won’t seem disloyal to the country. For those that feel they must show subservience to a person to prove their loyalty to the country we have a King who’s apolitical. In the US, the subservient must show loyalty to the President since they have no king.

There are many many reasons to have a King, not least of which was the reason Pierre Trudeau brought up: It would take a lot of effort to remove the King and it wouldn’t really change anything. Why bother removing the King?

The only reasons you have to go through that effort is hypotheticals (which would also apply to a President) and your belief that there’s something wrong with the Royal lineage. Which is… hmmmm.

There already has been a mass shooting in Texas done by someone with an “Iranian themed” shirt on.

And someone shot up an Iranian owned gym in Toronto, the owner of which was an activist against the Ayatollah. No one was there, no injuries. That guy isn’t cowering in fear of the Ayatollah, so why are you?

The Iranian nation has had their autonomy taken away from them, first by Khamenei and now by the US and Israel.

Are you saying they got their autonomy back in the last month after that asshole executed 30,000 people? Pretty sure they didn’t have autonomy for quite a few decades now. They have slim chance to take it back. The odds are the IRGC will hold onto control, but it’s ridiculous to imply they somehow lost autonomy twice. You either got it or you don’t and with the IRGC around they don’t have autonomy.

In you’re little analogy is the abusive dad always saying he wants to kill me and was handing out guns to people in the neighbourhood, telling them to take shots at me, which resulted in one of my kids getting killed? Then the abusive dad starts putting together a bazooka, all the while saying he’s going to kill me?

Your analogy kinda sucks. The abusive person is up to all kinds of shit in the neighbourhood and gets himself killed. If he was abusing his family and not going out into the neighbourhood and causing shit, he probably wouldn’t have gotten killed. But he’d still be a shitbag.

The wife and kids may or may not be upset by him getting killed, but I wouldn’t expect anyone in the neighbourhood to stick up for an abuser like you currently seem to be doing. Very bizarre to attempt of some analogy to be all “think of the children” over a guy that was such a terrible person.

Oh right there was a missile exchange. When you said “bomb Iran” that implied the use of warplanes, which wasn’t what happened. It was a tit-for-tat missile exchange, kinda meh compared to the war with Hamas and the war with Hezbollah which was happening at the time.

The missile exchange deescalated very quickly, but I guess you wanted a big speech from Biden condemning Israel rather than a diplomatic effort to get both sides to deescalate?

Iran has tried to assassinate Trump.

What should some other country should try to avenge the Ayatollah on his behalf? Guy was a piece of shit, why would anyone do that?

There are no good guys and bad guys. That’s a child’s understanding of the world.

Iran was building nukes while threatening countries that have the capability of bombing them. The Iranian regime made a major miscalculation there, it’s painfully obvious to anyone that can think strategically at all. They’re incompetent, which happens when you have hateful religious zealots running a country.

They also happen to be evil as demonstrated by the fact they executed people by the tens of thousands in the last month. I’m not sad the Ayatollah is dead. May he burn in hell.

If you think calling someone a simpleton is toxic, maybe you should refrain from calling other people a simpleton.

You’re overestimating the value of laws. Laws don’t create civilization, the civilization creates laws. The jungle is always there, we just generally avoid it because going to the jungle means our survival is down to just our abilities and judgement. It’s far preferable to stay in civilization where we have our best chance of survival.

Your hypothetical examples all depend on people being weak willed in the face of a constitutional crisis. If people are weak, there being a King or not a King makes no difference. The US has no King, but people are weak towards Trump, and it’s the same result as your hypotheticals, just different titles.

And why would the King risk his cushy life to do any of these things? Why would someone who is in a position like that for the rest of his life risk it all for some short term gain?

So corruption can happen in a republican, and it seems to me it’s more obvious when someone doesn’t give royal ascent, and it’s very unlikely a King who has guaranteed housing in a palace for life being waited on hand and foot would risk that for a small bump in his stock portfolio. It seems you’re imagining the King behaving like a corrupt politician, but you’re not explaining how replacing the King with an actual politician makes that less likely to happen? If anything a term limited politician is more likely to do any of these hypotheticals, get that money in the limited time they’re in the position to get it. And the people that voted for that politician are more likely to look the other way than if a King started doing shenanigans.

Well yeah, the Iran nuclear program started when W. Bush did his axis of evil speech naming off a hit list of countries the US would be going after… Iraq, Iran, and North Korea.

But none of that negates the fact that Iran was developing nuclear weapons while stating many times their goal was to be an existential threat to another country.

Maybe if you’re making nukes don’t go on and on about how you’re going to destroy another country while doing so? If you do that, you shouldn’t be all that shocked when that country starts bombing you. The actions of the Iranian regime were really nuts when you think about it.

Gonna need a source for your claim on an Israeli airstrike on Iran during Biden’s term.

If you want more than a simpleton reply, then you should refrain from making simpleton comments.

You’re talking about shit that happened before I was born and I’m guessing before you were born too. At a certain point people aren’t reacting to what an asshole did to them, they’re being assholes on their own. If you’re being a reactionary to something that happened before you were born, you’re just using history books as an excuse to be an asshole.

By this logic, why have laws at all?

Laws are needed for a civilized society. but civilization is a safe area we’ve created for ourselves in a dangerous jungle. When we step outside of our civilization we’re in a lawless place and we’re just surviving based on or abilities and judgement. There’s no legal way to eliminate the jungle, it will always be there. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t bother to have nice things when living in our civilized society.

A lot of these hypotheticals and real world scenarios are just people going out from civilized behaviour to the edge of the jungle. Whether it’s a King making commands or a President ignoring the court, these are things that shouldn’t be done based on the norms and laws of our civilization. So we’re in jungle rules, we have to figure out how to deal with the problem based on just our abilities and out judgement.

I see your point that “if we all agree he has no power, any exercise will clearly be a problem” … except the monarchy is in constant contact with the governor general. You won’t know why the GG makes her choices.

Parliament would know. Their job is to represent the will of the people. If the GG or King weren’t doing as they were told by Parliament, the PM has able opportunity to say to the country “that’s not what I wanted them to say.”

Or consider this situation: https://donshafer1.substack.com/p/the-day-37-british-columbia-mlas . Imagine the King has business interests in BC and would benefit from this financially. He calls the GG, who calls the LG of BC to say “get this moving.” If the LG (or GG) went public, she’d lose her job. So she’d quietly do it.

There were 50 MLAs that voted against that. How would the LG be able to do this quietly without the 50 people that voted against it knowing about it? When legislation gets royal assent, it’s done so publicly. Someone reads it out in Parliament and the Governor gives it a nod. It’s all a formality really, but who would be the person in parliament reading out legislation that didn’t pass to a Governor in the first place? You’d have to have the Parliament’s Clerks in on the scheme and not have them leak it to the the representatives, And they would be fired if caught doing any of this. Laws obviously have to be published so people like your self can use them in court. How would a GG, LG, or the King himself be able to do something without the elected representatives who voted against it knowing about it?

There’s a lot of process and ceremony involved in this: https://www.ourcommons.ca/procedure/our-procedure/LegislativeProcess/c_g_legislativeprocess-e.html How would you slip some secret laws through all of that process?

And I think you have it backwards. If something like this were to happen, there would be no more King. Even if the King were to force laws to come into being somehow (don’t know how it would happen, so it wouldn’t be the normal process, therefore very obvious) people would know and either the King would have to undo the action and abdicate or we’d just cease to be a monarchy. We’d be in the jungle and we’d be acting on our abilities and judgement.

Good faith negotiations simply weren’t going to happen after Trump cancelled the deal that was in place an assassinated Iran’s top general in his first term. This war was pretty much inevitable at that point.

Maybe if Harris were President and Trump were in jail trust could’ve been rebuilt and the war could’ve been avoided. Oops… I forgot I was on the “both sides are the same” website, nevermind LOL

The beatings will continue until morale improves.