

Ukraine did have nuclear weapons and gave them up only under broad guarantees of continued independence… so… yeah.
I wonder what country has a history of not only using nuclear weapons but using “allied” (vassal nations) on the borders of competing nations to host their arsenal to threaten first strike capability. Might want to look into what actually caused the “Cuban” missile crisis. American nukes in Turkey threating first strike capability and the breakdown of MAD.
Also your Iran strawman was fucking stupid and I shouldn’t have bothered responding to it. It was completely unrelated to what I said, even if Iran developed nuclear weapons they wouldn’t have first strike capability on the US so it isn’t relevant to doing whatever necessary to frustrate those attempting to destroy MAD by achieving first strike capability.
so… yeah…
Also also pointing out what is logical for a force to do in the face of certain situations doesn’t mean I support it and especially doesn’t mean I generally support any other force taking related but different actions. Really reminding me why I hate deabtebros.


I think it has been proven repeatedly by the US that if you wish to truly be sovereign nukes are non-negotiable which is a great tragedy. (Libya, Venezuela, Iraq, Yemen, etc.)
Your cynical counterpoint was still stupid as it was about a related but entirely different situation. A country having nukes and being able to bypass MAD are 2 vastly different scenarios.
As for your second paragraph it’s all irrelevant to the point at hand which is that if there is a risk of a country (especially one with a history of attempting to) bypassing MAD against you frustrating that attempt by any means necessary is the logical step to take.