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  • ​We can certainly debate theology and history, but there is no need to resort to insults just because we have different beliefs. Having a respectful dialogue is always more productive.

    ​To answer your first point, the Bible acknowledging that humans worshipped other entities does not validate those entities as equals to God. The biblical text consistently presents Yahweh as the uncreated Creator of the entire universe (like in Isaiah 44:6). The “other gods” mentioned in scripture are either described as man made idols of wood and stone, or lesser, created spiritual beings. Because the God of the Bible is the sole Creator of the universe, He retains ultimate sovereignty over all souls, regardless of what false gods humanity invents.

    ​Second, your claim about the word “hell” and modern translations is factually incorrect. The original texts use specific Greek and Hebrew terms like Gehenna, Hades, and Sheol. While they each have specific ancient and literary contexts, translating them into the English concept of “hell” accurately conveys the themes of final judgment and separation from God that are clearly present in the original languages.

    ​Finally, calling the NRSV “partisan” or “worthless” is the exact opposite of reality in the academic world. The NRSV is actually the gold standard for secular, academic, and critical biblical scholarship. It was translated by a massive, diverse committee of scholars from various traditions, including Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox experts. They were brought together specifically to eliminate sectarian bias. It is widely considered one of the most rigorous and least partisan translations in existence.



  • ​That is a massive caricature of Christian theology. Saying the Old Testament “doesn’t count” confuses the Old Covenant with the Old Testament scriptures.

    ​Christians believe the specific laws of the Old Covenant (like animal sacrifices, temple rituals, or dietary restrictions) were fulfilled by Christ. However, the Old Testament itself is still foundational scripture that reveals God’s nature, history, and character.

    ​God’s status as the Creator of the universe did not suddenly expire between the Old and New Testaments. Ezekiel 18:4 is simply stating an unchangeable fact about God’s role as the author of life.

    ​If you strictly want New Testament verses that establish the exact same concept of God owning everything because He made it, there are plenty. Colossians 1:16 says that “all things were created through him and for him.” Revelation 4:11 also states that God created all things, and by His will they existed and were created.

    ​The New Testament is built directly on top of the Old Testament, and Jesus quoted it constantly. Claiming that Christians just ignore it is historically and theologically false.


  • That presents a false dichotomy by assuming “ownership” automatically equals “coercion.”

    God’s ownership of your soul simply means He is the Creator and the source of your existence. However, owning your existence does not mean He overrides your personal agency. The entire biblical narrative is actually built on the reality of human free will.

    Having a Creator doesn’t strip you of true freedom. In fact, you have the absolute freedom to choose who you serve. The Bible repeatedly emphasizes this choice, such as in Joshua 24:15 which says, “choose this day whom you will serve.” The Apostle Paul also points out in Romans 6:16 that we all ultimately choose what we dedicate our lives to, whether that is sin or obedience.

    God isn’t forcing your hand or gaslighting you. He gives you the ultimate choice. You can use your freedom to align with your Creator, or you can use your free will to reject Him. He actually respects your autonomy enough to let you walk away and have exactly what you chose.



  • I know religion isn’t exactly the most popular topic on Lemmy, but I wanted to offer a Christian perspective on this.

    “God demands your soul for eternity, so he must be a demon.”

    This argument fundamentally misunderstands biblical theology and relies on Hollywood tropes rather than the text.

    First, God doesn’t need to “demand” or bargain for your soul because He already owns it. As the Creator, Ezekiel 18:4 flat out says, “Behold, all souls are mine.” You can’t demand or bargain for property you already hold the deed to.

    Secondly, God’s ownership doesn’t magically end if a person rejects Him. Pop culture paints a picture where God gets the souls of the saved, and Satan claims the souls of the damned. That’s Dante’s Inferno, not the Bible. Satan isn’t the ruler of Hell collecting souls; he will be a prisoner punished alongside them.

    Even for those who reject God and are cast into the fire, God remains entirely sovereign over them. Matthew 10:28 makes this clear: “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.”

    TL;DR: God isn’t a demon trying to snatch your soul. He is the rightful owner giving you a choice to spend eternity with Him as an adopted heir, or separated from Him in the fire, but He maintains absolute authority over your soul either way.