Yeah, I do feel too many people would have continued to use HitlerOS after he started the Holocaust, because not supporting genocide would inconvenience them. And yes, compared to microslop supporting a government that (supports a government that) commits genocide, finding a different job is an acceptable ask if one gets upset over being called complicit.

Fuck Bibi and his corrupt kabal.

You clearly do not understand the point I am making. It’s not that hard to miss, so it’s more likely that you just enjoy getting offended on behalf of people. Bad habit.

You are reading a “I condemn you” where there isn’t one into “you are part of the problem”.

If I participate to an economy which exploits third world countries for quality of life and luxury, then even if I do not have a choice, I am part of the problem.

Becoming all defensive about it however suggests that you actually don’t give a fuck about using an operating system operated by a fascist enabling corporation, while looking for excuses that it’s “not your fault”.

Still, they are part of the problem. Not as big as their corporate IT or responsible manager, but still a part.

Who gives a fuck? If you still use microslop, you are part of the problem.

To the surprise of no one who had been reading the news, though. It was mostly putting some details to thinks we already knew about. Still, I commend he did do it, and I wish he could live a life less controlled by those in power - but I don’t consider him a hero. More like a tragical figure.

We don’t disagree - I commented something very similar deeper down in this thread. have no idea how to link it here though on mobile - my apologies.

Yeah, there’s a good chance this is part of the problem - by benefiting passively from a first world that exploits so many other countries and people in the world, we become complicit, and develop a cognitive dissonance regarding our share of responsibility for the evils of the world. Especially since obviously as a child you can’t be guilty for the world you are born into, but it requires an act of emancipation to distance oneself from a system that you recognize as exploitative if not outright evil as you grow older. And it’s impossible to completely remove ourselves from it, we can only ever try and fight smaller aspects of the unfairness.

Another part that I suspect here is that many people have a complete blind spot for the fact that in order to get into a position to leak such sensitive information, Snowden specifically had to be a helping puppet to the system for quite some time.

In that way, and with the knowledge I have about the case, Chelsea Manning is way more eligible to be considered a hero, because they got a hold of documents for which they did not need to willingly participate in any kind of evil - aside from joining the military which is at least a questionable decision for many (including myself) - especially when it comes to the military of some specific countries known for frequently attacking other countries to further their own ends.

The story isn’t what? Get out! :)

Guess what, I even read “No place to hide” by Glenn Greenwald / Ed Snowden. I never said Snowden is bad, but he was naive and quite fucking stupid to think he was working for “the good guys” initially. I am glad he had a change of heart and did what he did. Nevertheless it is more heroic to stay away from evil deeds than change your mind after partaking and then step away.

With the understanding that secret police is on your side, you will never take down anyone.

You missed the point. To get that kind of knowledge, he first had to subscribe to the evil team. Which he did. It would be different if he had joined from the beginning with the motive to expose unlawful practices by the services. It is more heroic to not join team evil in the first place.

Most of us here are more of a hero, because we had the backbone to never actually work for those fascist services to begin with.

This IS a full life because it’s the one I got, and just the chance to experience this universe is so unbelievably goddamn beautiful.

I think that this one sentence captures it all. I do not believe in heaven etc, but I do believe there’s zero time passing for us while we are “not conscious”, and we came into existence once as a “conscious being”, so it can happen again. And even if it happens again a billion years later, maybe - just maybe - for us, it will be like “right after” we close our eyes for the last time in this life. So I wish you an awesome life as an alien in a galaxy far, far away, for the next run :)

Underrated idea :D

You are an idiot. Previous commentor was not defending this in any way, he was looking to find an explanation as to why Stephen Tyler got away with things.

I don’t get the downvotes, I agree with you. It’s not okay, and yes, it’s legally rape, but it doesn’t have to be traumatizing the victims in the same way as the examples you also mentioned. And that’s not an excuse, but a reasonable answer to the question you responded to.

Not sure if exclusive, but Andor’s Trail is on F-Droid and really good.

it’s both awesome and quite addictive :)