I really want Linux phones to catch on, but even watching demos, while they are making progress, it seems like they are still very far behind.
A phone for me (and many others) is more a lifestyle utility than a tech gadget, so reliability and compatibility is paramount. Things need to just work the first time every time for me to trust relying on it for important things.
I still follow the development of some projects and contribute when I can, but it doesn’t look like it’ll be a realistic option (for my use case at least) any time soon.
Banking on smart phones is safer than banking on Windows, and far safer than banking on Linux. -That’s probably never going to change, and because of ‘privacy concerns’, it will be as bad on the phone or worse than desktop Linux.
Open apps like Open Street Map absolutely suck. I’ve tried helping them out, but they made it so complicated to contribute to naming locations.
There are some FOSS apps for phone I’m fond of, but I wouldn’t consider using a slap-stick repo like F-Droid especially for such volatile software that gets abandoned and forked regularly.
With all that said, there are some people claiming daily driving lately and it seems like they fixed issues of the past, but some issues aren’t likely to get fixed. -Ever. (due to fundamental issues with copy left GPL and the cult around it)
If only the clamoring happened around BSD instead.
You have upset a lot of people. OSM is an awesome alternative to Google Maps, it’s basically the Wikipedia equivalent for mapping where everyone can help contribute by adding locations and such. Particularly for densely populated areas, I find it to be very accurate, and there’s even support for public transit!
I wouldn’t consider using a slap-stick repo like F-Droid
You have somehow upset even more people. F-Droid has soooo many good open-source apps that are stable and they usually work far better (and look nicer for the most part) compared to proprietary options. CoMaps is a good client for OSM and arguably has a nicer interface than GMaps, and you can install maps offline which is super convenient! Kvaesitso is a nice search-based custom launcher that is much better than the stock one for my purposes, and Lawnchair is another good option if you want something closer to vanilla Android. More great FOSS apps:
Breezy Weather
Etar (calendar)
Auxio (local music player)
Aegis (2FA codes)
Chrono (clock)
FluffyChat (Matrix client)
HeliBoard (keyboard, the BEST ONE! even has accurate suggestions and glide typing!)
various self-hosted bits (Nextcloud, Immich, etc.)
KDE Connect and LocalSend (AirDrop+ that is cross-platform, the former is preinstalled on KDE Plasma)
And games on F-Droid are a bit more lacking, but here are some nice ones I found:
Simon Tatham’s Puzzles (all the puzzles you could want, quite fun!)
Breakout 71 (fun game that is quite neat)
Retroarch (emulation, my device can play up to PS2/GC and Wii, but higher end models can even do Switch!)
Plus, you don’t have to use the F-Droid repos. You can use third-party repositories like IzzyOnDroid or similar with the F-Droid client!
Doesn’t mean it still sucks. I want it to be better and use it occasionally and try to help. It still sucks needs a long way to improve and realistically probably never well.
OSM performance really depends on your location. In my entire country, there’s like TWO people (not me) contributing 99% of data. As you can imagine, there’s no real time info and lots of stuff lacking.
Public transport is also very dependent on location, both countries I’ve lived in recently didn’t have integration.
Edit: I love that somebody downvoted me for stating objective verifiable facts. Dude, get a life.
That might actually be a good bot project; just slowly going through Google maps and trying to update missing information from OSM like road type, lane width, etc.
Hence why I specified OSM being better in densely populated regions! It is a good point that, depending where you live, OSM could be a pretty inaccurate mapping tool. If you want, you could help contribute to OSM for your region! (There’s a few apps available that gameifies it if you’re into that)
In Hong Kong, where I grew up in, everything is well mapped and all the MTR stations are labeled. And during my short trip to Germany, I was able to find a relatively obscure restaurant in Munich.
Banking on smart phones is safer than banking on Windows, and far safer than banking on Linux
this is patently false. smartphones leak all sorts of data about you on a network that desktop computers, regardless of OS, simply don’t, especially if you use a hardened web browser like arkenfox, phoenix, or librewolf
Your research: “Linux subs and communities”. You LiGNUts should stay out of tech conversations because all you know is propaganda. “All Eyes on Code” finally died. -the rest needs to too.
what are you saying right now? you’re not making sense. i work in securing networks for children’s data though. and there’s nothing we can do to get the kids’ data safe if they access our systems on our phones so we recommend chrome on a desktop computer because we presume they won’t have the technical knowledge to harden a browser and chrome is set up, by default, a little more securely (though not as privately) as firefox
first result, specific to banking, i got from a forensic expert:
Randal Wolverton, a certified public accountant who serves on the American Institute of CPAs’ Forensic and Litigation Services fraud task force: “My preference is to bank with computers in a secure environment, as thieves may find smartphones more attractive to attack,” he says.
Since smartphones travel with you, they give fraudsters unique opportunities. If a customer is standing in line at a grocery store and decides to check her bank balance on her phone, someone could be looking over her shoulder and guess the password. That kind of situation is unlikely to arise when banking on a computer at home, Wolverton says.
this is pretty in alignment with our forensic research for network hardening when it comes to kid data, too. a phone is just a snitch that lives in your pocket. the less you do from it, the more secure you’ll be. you should really only be doing critical things, like banking and logging into your labor or educational institution, from trusted hardware on a trusted network. phones are fine for looking up business hours, interesting tidbits, and the like, but you shouldn’t do anything you specific that matters to your life if you can help it.
Lol, pick out why tiny possible scenario where it’s clearly user fault, and ignore the mountain of other issues with full blown browsers. Browsers don’t even safely save passwords by default in Linux. -They’re stored as plain text files.
Apps are more locked down than a browser that does everything. 2 factor authentication automatically. There’s more but you should learn to use a search engine especially if you use Linux.
you’ve misunderstood the research and shouldn’t be admonishing people for not using a search engine when clearly you didn’t. an app is more secure than a mobile browser, but neither are more secure than a workstation browser. you are spreading misinformation when you pronounce stuff like this that you clearly didn’t put the work in to understand
Loonix propaganda. -It’s like getting all your information from a conspiracy theorist site. -It’s why Linux evangelists are called conspiracy theorists.
i haven’t said shit about linux, and you will even note i said my company’s official position is to recommend proprietary software like chrome. i’m saying to use a desktop, not a phone, regardless of phone os and desktop os.
you’re just saying stuff at this point and if you keep it up i’ll be blocking you because none of what you’re saying has anything to do with what i’m saying
Speaking of, the first waves of the new Jolla phone (with sailfish os) are apparently coming out now. I haven"t seen any posts about it on Lemmy yet, just an unboxing vid on YouTube
Literally the only one I like but I live in Hell and they don’t seem to do too well with the carriers over here. Some of them are crazy, lwanting like nearly 2k, ain’t happenin’ chief.
1st version hardware was decent enough and I had really high hopes for the company. And then they went and messed up royally with the tablet-kickstarter. I hope they really can push to the market this time, but I’m not the first to buy their device again.
I don’t know how many, if any at all, are still on board from the original company but I really had high hopes for them. I used N810, N900 and N9 from Nokia. That OS (maemo/meego) then eventually matured to Sailfish some time after Nokia was already either down or going that way. I really liked the first Jolla phone, it had something in it which none of the android slabs I’ve then had doesn’t. They had at least some kind of market share, promising applications coming up and, at least in my opinion, at that time, very real chance to challenge Android/iOS on the market.
And then they blew it all with a massively oversized kickstarter for their size. I haven’t followed too closely what actually happened, or could that been avoided, but that blunder meant that I haven’t really followed Sailfish or Jolla since. I really hope they succeed, the market needs desperately at least one more player to challenge walled gardens we currently have, but previous experience says that I’m not going to throw my own hard earned money on them until they show they can actually stay on track.
I don’t like jolla after that one time when they sold their brand and product to russian company affiliated with current corrupt government that you know, killing people in Ukraine.
It’s worth noting that the current Jolla is whatever the original founders could get back through the Finnish courts after their investors from Russia stopped communicating.
I really don’t mean to start any more in-fighting on “this side”, but is it really worth it to wait for something “better” to appear? I admit I don’t know much about that russia thing, but this latest Jolla phone is selling out all the pre-orders, there is lots of momentum going on, it seems that we might finally have a viable option that isn’t american big tech. So is it worth it to let this thing go, while letting the cancer cells grow even bigger?
Linux phone time
I really want Linux phones to catch on, but even watching demos, while they are making progress, it seems like they are still very far behind.
A phone for me (and many others) is more a lifestyle utility than a tech gadget, so reliability and compatibility is paramount. Things need to just work the first time every time for me to trust relying on it for important things.
I still follow the development of some projects and contribute when I can, but it doesn’t look like it’ll be a realistic option (for my use case at least) any time soon.
Friend had a fairphone (no google version) worked well, with like a quirk or so. Sounds quite close to a really good phone.
Banking on smart phones is safer than banking on Windows, and far safer than banking on Linux. -That’s probably never going to change, and because of ‘privacy concerns’, it will be as bad on the phone or worse than desktop Linux.
Open apps like Open Street Map absolutely suck. I’ve tried helping them out, but they made it so complicated to contribute to naming locations.
There are some FOSS apps for phone I’m fond of, but I wouldn’t consider using a slap-stick repo like F-Droid especially for such volatile software that gets abandoned and forked regularly.
With all that said, there are some people claiming daily driving lately and it seems like they fixed issues of the past, but some issues aren’t likely to get fixed. -Ever. (due to fundamental issues with copy left GPL and the cult around it)
If only the clamoring happened around BSD instead.
You have upset a lot of people. OSM is an awesome alternative to Google Maps, it’s basically the Wikipedia equivalent for mapping where everyone can help contribute by adding locations and such. Particularly for densely populated areas, I find it to be very accurate, and there’s even support for public transit!
You have somehow upset even more people. F-Droid has soooo many good open-source apps that are stable and they usually work far better (and look nicer for the most part) compared to proprietary options. CoMaps is a good client for OSM and arguably has a nicer interface than GMaps, and you can install maps offline which is super convenient! Kvaesitso is a nice search-based custom launcher that is much better than the stock one for my purposes, and Lawnchair is another good option if you want something closer to vanilla Android. More great FOSS apps:
And games on F-Droid are a bit more lacking, but here are some nice ones I found:
Plus, you don’t have to use the F-Droid repos. You can use third-party repositories like IzzyOnDroid or similar with the F-Droid client!
Doesn’t mean it still sucks. I want it to be better and use it occasionally and try to help. It still sucks needs a long way to improve and realistically probably never well.
OSM performance really depends on your location. In my entire country, there’s like TWO people (not me) contributing 99% of data. As you can imagine, there’s no real time info and lots of stuff lacking.
Public transport is also very dependent on location, both countries I’ve lived in recently didn’t have integration.
Edit: I love that somebody downvoted me for stating objective verifiable facts. Dude, get a life.
That might actually be a good bot project; just slowly going through Google maps and trying to update missing information from OSM like road type, lane width, etc.
Hence why I specified OSM being better in densely populated regions! It is a good point that, depending where you live, OSM could be a pretty inaccurate mapping tool. If you want, you could help contribute to OSM for your region! (There’s a few apps available that gameifies it if you’re into that)
In Hong Kong, where I grew up in, everything is well mapped and all the MTR stations are labeled. And during my short trip to Germany, I was able to find a relatively obscure restaurant in Munich.
I live in a 20M city, it’s pretty densely populated :)
Yeah, I did make some contributions to OSM but eventually dropped out due to not actually using it myself.
this is patently false. smartphones leak all sorts of data about you on a network that desktop computers, regardless of OS, simply don’t, especially if you use a hardened web browser like arkenfox, phoenix, or librewolf
Your research: “Linux subs and communities”. You LiGNUts should stay out of tech conversations because all you know is propaganda. “All Eyes on Code” finally died. -the rest needs to too.
Man you are an idiot aren’t you.
what are you saying right now? you’re not making sense. i work in securing networks for children’s data though. and there’s nothing we can do to get the kids’ data safe if they access our systems on our phones so we recommend chrome on a desktop computer because we presume they won’t have the technical knowledge to harden a browser and chrome is set up, by default, a little more securely (though not as privately) as firefox
You didn’t try a search engine did you? -Why didn’t they test you for that before hiring you?
first result, specific to banking, i got from a forensic expert:
this is pretty in alignment with our forensic research for network hardening when it comes to kid data, too. a phone is just a snitch that lives in your pocket. the less you do from it, the more secure you’ll be. you should really only be doing critical things, like banking and logging into your labor or educational institution, from trusted hardware on a trusted network. phones are fine for looking up business hours, interesting tidbits, and the like, but you shouldn’t do anything you specific that matters to your life if you can help it.
Lol, pick out why tiny possible scenario where it’s clearly user fault, and ignore the mountain of other issues with full blown browsers. Browsers don’t even safely save passwords by default in Linux. -They’re stored as plain text files.
Can you elaborate on how banking is “safer” on smart phones than Windows and Linux?
Apps are more locked down than a browser that does everything. 2 factor authentication automatically. There’s more but you should learn to use a search engine especially if you use Linux.
you’ve misunderstood the research and shouldn’t be admonishing people for not using a search engine when clearly you didn’t. an app is more secure than a mobile browser, but neither are more secure than a workstation browser. you are spreading misinformation when you pronounce stuff like this that you clearly didn’t put the work in to understand
Loonix propaganda. -It’s like getting all your information from a conspiracy theorist site. -It’s why Linux evangelists are called conspiracy theorists.
i haven’t said shit about linux, and you will even note i said my company’s official position is to recommend proprietary software like chrome. i’m saying to use a desktop, not a phone, regardless of phone os and desktop os.
you’re just saying stuff at this point and if you keep it up i’ll be blocking you because none of what you’re saying has anything to do with what i’m saying
Oh, please block me if you can’t manage an actual tech discussion.
Speaking of, the first waves of the new Jolla phone (with sailfish os) are apparently coming out now. I haven"t seen any posts about it on Lemmy yet, just an unboxing vid on YouTube
Literally the only one I like but I live in Hell and they don’t seem to do too well with the carriers over here. Some of them are crazy, lwanting like nearly 2k, ain’t happenin’ chief.
Sailfish has been around since 2013. Hopefully the hardware is good 🤞
1st version hardware was decent enough and I had really high hopes for the company. And then they went and messed up royally with the tablet-kickstarter. I hope they really can push to the market this time, but I’m not the first to buy their device again.
Darn even the fin is critical of them.
I don’t know how many, if any at all, are still on board from the original company but I really had high hopes for them. I used N810, N900 and N9 from Nokia. That OS (maemo/meego) then eventually matured to Sailfish some time after Nokia was already either down or going that way. I really liked the first Jolla phone, it had something in it which none of the android slabs I’ve then had doesn’t. They had at least some kind of market share, promising applications coming up and, at least in my opinion, at that time, very real chance to challenge Android/iOS on the market.
And then they blew it all with a massively oversized kickstarter for their size. I haven’t followed too closely what actually happened, or could that been avoided, but that blunder meant that I haven’t really followed Sailfish or Jolla since. I really hope they succeed, the market needs desperately at least one more player to challenge walled gardens we currently have, but previous experience says that I’m not going to throw my own hard earned money on them until they show they can actually stay on track.
I don’t like jolla after that one time when they sold their brand and product to russian company affiliated with current corrupt government that you know, killing people in Ukraine.
It’s worth noting that the current Jolla is whatever the original founders could get back through the Finnish courts after their investors from Russia stopped communicating.
I really don’t mean to start any more in-fighting on “this side”, but is it really worth it to wait for something “better” to appear? I admit I don’t know much about that russia thing, but this latest Jolla phone is selling out all the pre-orders, there is lots of momentum going on, it seems that we might finally have a viable option that isn’t american big tech. So is it worth it to let this thing go, while letting the cancer cells grow even bigger?
If you want to swap cancer to aids - you do you.