I’d rather it be zero. Walk, public transit, or taxi your way to drinks. Stay in a hotel.
I say this as someone who grew up driving home from the club and such when I most likely should not have been. I know a lot of people who got OMVI/DUI/DWI/whateverYourJurisdictionCallsIt and nearly lost my bandmate.
I recently tried to plan a night out in “the city” and was looking for a hotel since I would like to have a few drinks. I can’t believe how stupid prices are.
A shitty motel is like $400 a night, so you would have to hire a cab already to drive you to a cheaper hotel like 15-20 minutes away.
Nicer hotels are going like $600-$800 a night.
How on earth does anyone afford a vacation for prices like that?
We normally do budget hotels which thankfully are far cheaper than that for where we go. We have to stay (or hire someone to drive our car followed by a taxi to take the driver on) whenever we go into the city since it’s a ~50 minute walk to our station mostly in the dark and in an area with bears.
For people in the city (or nearer stations, I guess), it’s a lot easier than for those of us who live further away.
Get ready to face DUI charges when you take cough medicine, eat some overripe fruit, or have some yogurt, among other things. Trace amounts of alcohol exist in a number of foods, so you could easily fail a 0.0 test by simply eating breakfast.
Don’t cite things on a gotcha response as if it were even momentarily researched.
Police aren’t usually pulling over random people and randomly testing them. If you’re being pulled over for drinking it’s usually because they already suspect something based on your driving. The only exception are checkpoints, but we’ll come back to that.
You would have to be doing something weird even to get a result from almost any of the items listed in your own source. An evidentiary breath analysis unit can read as low as 0.020. The highest ABV in that list (that is food, not an extract) is ~2% for soy sauce. You could drink a pint of that soy sauce, (eeugh!) and by the time the alcohol evaporated from your mouth (it lasts several minutes and would prevent an accurate reading) your BAC would likely be below the detection threshold. Procedure (at least where I was, but likely anywhere) would require a second confirmation test 15 minutes after the first to make sure the first wasn’t caused by oral residue.
So, worst case scenario, you chug a pint of soy sauce in your car, immediately drive up to a checkpoint on the way to a hospital because of the amount of salt, they test you randomly and get a positive result from the oral residue, and then get nothing when they retest unless you are so small and light that you are probably a literal child.
Part of the point of what I said is that part two makes part one moot. It doesn’t even matter (as far as the legal limit on BAC) whether they do or do not pull people over randomly. 0.0 is fine.
I think 0.0 is stupid too, but the one benefit is since it’s so obvious if driver’s been drinking they don’t have to bother with open container laws. Like in Japan the passengers can drink in the car
Hold up, police aren’t randomly pulling people over? That power hungry group of asshats are doing whatever the fuck they want. “Suspicious driving” is their go to fuck you card. Drunk driving is a problem, more unmitigated police power is not the solution.
It’s not random. It can be malignly motivated by colorism or classism but those still aren’t random. Overreach by those who have been granted a level of power is its own problem, but until we can get a better system going, police are what we have to work with. Pointing out a problem is not enough.
I’d rather it be zero. Walk, public transit, or taxi your way to drinks. Stay in a hotel.
I say this as someone who grew up driving home from the club and such when I most likely should not have been. I know a lot of people who got OMVI/DUI/DWI/whateverYourJurisdictionCallsIt and nearly lost my bandmate.
I recently tried to plan a night out in “the city” and was looking for a hotel since I would like to have a few drinks. I can’t believe how stupid prices are.
A shitty motel is like $400 a night, so you would have to hire a cab already to drive you to a cheaper hotel like 15-20 minutes away.
Nicer hotels are going like $600-$800 a night.
How on earth does anyone afford a vacation for prices like that?
We normally do budget hotels which thankfully are far cheaper than that for where we go. We have to stay (or hire someone to drive our car followed by a taxi to take the driver on) whenever we go into the city since it’s a ~50 minute walk to our station mostly in the dark and in an area with bears.
For people in the city (or nearer stations, I guess), it’s a lot easier than for those of us who live further away.
Get ready to face DUI charges when you take cough medicine, eat some overripe fruit, or have some yogurt, among other things. Trace amounts of alcohol exist in a number of foods, so you could easily fail a 0.0 test by simply eating breakfast.
Don’t cite things on a gotcha response as if it were even momentarily researched.
So, worst case scenario, you chug a pint of soy sauce in your car, immediately drive up to a checkpoint on the way to a hospital because of the amount of salt, they test you randomly and get a positive result from the oral residue, and then get nothing when they retest unless you are so small and light that you are probably a literal child.
They definitely are in some jurisdictions.
0.00% is stupid. 0.08% is probably also stupid too but for the opposite reason.
Part of the point of what I said is that part two makes part one moot. It doesn’t even matter (as far as the legal limit on BAC) whether they do or do not pull people over randomly. 0.0 is fine.
You might be ok with the cops hauling you off for a blood test based on bullshit but I am not.
If they do, it won’t be because of the 0.0 limit.
I think 0.0 is stupid too, but the one benefit is since it’s so obvious if driver’s been drinking they don’t have to bother with open container laws. Like in Japan the passengers can drink in the car
Hold up, police aren’t randomly pulling people over? That power hungry group of asshats are doing whatever the fuck they want. “Suspicious driving” is their go to fuck you card. Drunk driving is a problem, more unmitigated police power is not the solution.
It’s not random. It can be malignly motivated by colorism or classism but those still aren’t random. Overreach by those who have been granted a level of power is its own problem, but until we can get a better system going, police are what we have to work with. Pointing out a problem is not enough.