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For years, tech giants have argued that if information is available on the internet, it can be used for AI model development and outputs. They call it fair use. Content owners have tried to prevent this, with no success.
Now Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google are discovering what the rest of the internet has already learned through painful experience: once you put something online, people will find ways to use it in ways you don’t like and can’t stop.
The latest flashpoint is something called “distillation,” using the outputs of one AI model to improve another. Anthropic says competitors are harvesting its outputs at scale, turning billions of dollars of research into a shortcut for rivals. OpenAI and Google have made similar warnings recently.
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Well they’re paying for the usage so… Suck it up?
but not like this!!!1!!!
Huh, so it’s eating itself? Cool.
This is how we know AI should be a collectivist project, one that isn’t owned by large corporations but is funded by taxes and developed in academies, and all IP derived from it falls into the public domain.
Besides which a lot of artists mind a lot less when their material is borrowed by a non-profit, or to serve a public works project. (There are exceptions. Disney is notoriously litigious about murals in nurseries.)
PS: Development of a robust public domain is the only reason that intellectual property should exist at all. Also it’s not property so much as a licensed temporary monopoly.
PSS: History has already shown us that people will invent stuff and do fabulous art simply by being allowed to live in a state other than desperation. Public welfare programs beget art booms. The most recent example of this was during the COVID-19 lockdown which came with extended unemployment and stimulus checks, resulting in the Great Resignation in which a lot of people turned their hobbies into something lucrative.
Yeah it has to be open weight and free to use for everybody, with regulation to tag all AI output as generated so we know what is what.
The worst outcome would be if somehow all open weight AI models that can’t show their training data will be subject to some kind of tax or rent by AI / IP collection agencies, ultimately going to the plutocrats. That would be techno feudalism. Big corporations can afford to negotiate and pay license fees and often profit from cumbersome regulation too that prevents others from producing value. So the worst outcome is if we have robots doing all the work, and all the robot IP is owned by the techno-feudalists. And we can’t even use robots to help with subsistence farming because we can’t pay the expensive AI IP licenses.
Awww, shuck. Pot. Kettle. Black.
As if the parrots’ dictionary wasn’t stolen from millions of content creators.
At least the models like Qwen have open weight versions. It’s the same concept as distributing compiled binaries, though, whereas we really need true FOSS models where all of the code and training data are available under a permissive license. All of these models were trained on copyleft-licensed content, so all of it should be FOSS if the licenses were actually being respected. From that perspective, distillation attacks shouldn’t even be necessary and I couldn’t give two shits that there is no honor among thieves when the real thievery is that these models are closed source.
I love this for them, I hope they eat eachother and choke on the bones.
havnt they realized they eventually will train thier “llm” on slop created by other LLM slop.
Lol get absolutely fucked. I hope it costs them a fortune.
That’s not good. Investors hate costly and protracted legal fights. There was another story about OpenAI stealing tech from apple and I think some kind of data leak maybe? If investors lose confidence in OpenAI that pretty much pops the bubble.
With hundreds of billions in their warchests, are there enough lawfirms in the world to meet their legal needs in the coming battle?
Cheaper to get politicians to rule in your favour.
Political lobbying is just a higer form of lawyering… most legislators (and virtually all judges) are ex-lawyers.
Side note: Mamdani did a special appearance on Ms Rachel’s show? That’s actually kinda awesome!
Does Ms. Rachel condemn Hassan?
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What…?
DOES MS RACHEL CONSUME HUMMUS?
I hope not, I wanted to eat that hummus >:(
If you paid attention to what Ms. Rachel was saying you’d know how to share better.
What’s your opinion on Haagen-daz? 🤔
Some interviewer asked Mamdani if he condemned the twitch streamer Hassan Piker. It’s just kind of a meme now.
Edit: now that I think of it I’m pretty sure it was Andrew Cuomo who asked him about it in a debate.
Funny cause there’s a similar meme in France about a tv host who used to repeat “BUT DO YOU CONDEMN HAMAS” with an exaggerated Arabic “rrramas” pronunciation
Wait, they’re mad at innovation?
“No, no, that’s wrong! Just use our inefficient model like it was before…”
This is why open source/copyleft is preferable
“Fair use is only fair if we do it”
The latest flashpoint is something called “distillation,”
Incest. It’s digital incest.
What are you doing, step-prompt
Describe the inside of this washing machine and how someone, not me, who is stuck in one could theoretically get out.
The cylinder must not be harmed!
