I mean if you read any Reddit that during the road to the recent USA elections, Biden should have won by an extremely large margin, and later , Kamala.
If we used Reddit threads of those months as reference, we’d currently been talking about how hard Kamala won
But she didn’t
So yeah, take whatever is on Reddit, and now Lemmy, with an asteroid sized pinch of salt
Not saying those comments were fake, they certainly represent someone, now, wheater that someone is a sizeable amount of voters…
You guys can’t think there are seriously paid bots on lemmy. There are like 10,000 users. It’s basically a niche message board. Reddit is a valuable target because it has millions of users. Facebook, instagram, Twitter. These places are being astroturfed. But lemmy? I honestly don’t believe it. It doesn’t even have a core of users in any particular country. The small user base is spread all over the world. It just isn’t a target of these campaigns.
People are complicated. Everyone always points to “all that anti Kamala talk ended right after the election!” Yeah, maybe a lot of the pro-Palestinian anti Kamala people saying they wouldn’t vote for her stopped speaking so publicly because the reality of the other option sunk in. That doesn’t mean those people are paid trolls or bots. It means their argument got much more difficult when trump started plotting out his Gaza hotel. Those feelings are still legitimate. The feeling of not being able to sign your name to the lesser of two evils when that “lesser” is still funding and arming the genocidal force. People couldn’t swallow that on a personal level. But as soon as trump was elected, because it was one of two options, for the sake of not being angrily brigades, people stopped talking about it.
It’s a much more nuanced issue than bots on lemmy.
You in turn are overestimating how much effort is required for an established bot farm to add a platform to their system.
I used to see that shit decades ago in the phpBB days, you’d get accounts signing up to a board with 20 active users to post climate change denialist articles, even though the website itself had nothing to do with climate change. (Looking back on it now, the oil lobby was probably the first big user of internet forum astroturfing, but somehow nothing ever came of it…)
Lemmy is in a growth stage. That’s exactly the time groups would want to start embedding bots to give them the most possible credulity for when they’re needed.
This is exactly how voat died. There may have been an ounce of legitimacy early on. It veered into blatant far right accounts posting every top post. It’s obvious this kind of thing happens on lemmy too. Especially on certain instances. For now at least the federation model appears to be doing its thing.
It’ll be interesting too as federations are a bit of a wild-west right now with some domains dropping off or being federated, while others may still be created in the future
Exactly, it blew up exponentionally around 2016 and became of importance.
That’s when the US regime put Jessica Ashoosh in place.
All the clowns leaving Reddit bcs now with Trump ‘Reddit isn’t free’ are a joke.
They have been living a lie
Think about opening your favorite social media app, and seeing 60% of the posts in support of something… And then when the day comes that thing receives about 1% of RL support.
As always, trust but verify. I was telling people here for months that Kamala hadn’t won yet and everybody needed to get out and spread the word on Project 2025.
We saw what happened, and we see a lot of opinions here on Lemmy. Trust but verify.
I mean if you read any Reddit that during the road to the recent USA elections, Biden should have won by an extremely large margin, and later , Kamala.
If we used Reddit threads of those months as reference, we’d currently been talking about how hard Kamala won
But she didn’t
So yeah, take whatever is on Reddit, and now Lemmy, with an asteroid sized pinch of salt
Not saying those comments were fake, they certainly represent someone, now, wheater that someone is a sizeable amount of voters…
You guys can’t think there are seriously paid bots on lemmy. There are like 10,000 users. It’s basically a niche message board. Reddit is a valuable target because it has millions of users. Facebook, instagram, Twitter. These places are being astroturfed. But lemmy? I honestly don’t believe it. It doesn’t even have a core of users in any particular country. The small user base is spread all over the world. It just isn’t a target of these campaigns.
People are complicated. Everyone always points to “all that anti Kamala talk ended right after the election!” Yeah, maybe a lot of the pro-Palestinian anti Kamala people saying they wouldn’t vote for her stopped speaking so publicly because the reality of the other option sunk in. That doesn’t mean those people are paid trolls or bots. It means their argument got much more difficult when trump started plotting out his Gaza hotel. Those feelings are still legitimate. The feeling of not being able to sign your name to the lesser of two evils when that “lesser” is still funding and arming the genocidal force. People couldn’t swallow that on a personal level. But as soon as trump was elected, because it was one of two options, for the sake of not being angrily brigades, people stopped talking about it.
It’s a much more nuanced issue than bots on lemmy.
You in turn are overestimating how much effort is required for an established bot farm to add a platform to their system.
I used to see that shit decades ago in the phpBB days, you’d get accounts signing up to a board with 20 active users to post climate change denialist articles, even though the website itself had nothing to do with climate change. (Looking back on it now, the oil lobby was probably the first big user of internet forum astroturfing, but somehow nothing ever came of it…)
Lemmy is in a growth stage. That’s exactly the time groups would want to start embedding bots to give them the most possible credulity for when they’re needed.
This is exactly how voat died. There may have been an ounce of legitimacy early on. It veered into blatant far right accounts posting every top post. It’s obvious this kind of thing happens on lemmy too. Especially on certain instances. For now at least the federation model appears to be doing its thing.
It’ll be interesting too as federations are a bit of a wild-west right now with some domains dropping off or being federated, while others may still be created in the future
Exactly, it blew up exponentionally around 2016 and became of importance. That’s when the US regime put Jessica Ashoosh in place.
All the clowns leaving Reddit bcs now with Trump ‘Reddit isn’t free’ are a joke.
They have been living a lie
Snakes on a Plane and Bernie have proven that what you see online is complete bullshit.
Biden got the boot because he was a no-hoper and his party must have been aware of his cancer. Kamala stood ZERO chance.
It sucks to have to admit that Trump and his fascists are popular. Very popular.
But that’s not what the public nor the voters were told
What happened with Snakes on a Plane? I’m only aware of the movie.
Based on online hype, it could be believed that it was going to be the highest grossing movie of all time.
It was an unmitigated disaster and complete flop.
Nobody went to see the piece of shit. Everybody talked about it online.
Huh, I’m amazed - I wasn’t exposed to any of that. I’d only seen the memes about it afterwards.
Think about opening your favorite social media app, and seeing 60% of the posts in support of something… And then when the day comes that thing receives about 1% of RL support.
Snakes on a Plane. Enthusiasm for Democrats 2024.
Damn this explains why I never saw it but did heard of it online
Kinda like the opposite with Avatar from Cameron. The more people diss on the fans, the more they galvanize to see it
I waited 20 years to see that movie.
What a piece of shit
I have never seen it but I remember the snake meme was a highlight of the time
same
They are not popular. Like 30% of the voting eligible public voted for him.
You’re just rationalizing.
That’s assuming that whoever didn’t vote disapprove of him, and that’s false.
Whoever didn’t vote, was comfortable enough to not oppose him (or Kamala for that matter) and let him get to the white house.
As always, trust but verify. I was telling people here for months that Kamala hadn’t won yet and everybody needed to get out and spread the word on Project 2025.
We saw what happened, and we see a lot of opinions here on Lemmy. Trust but verify.
LOL genocide Blue MAGA still crying over their well deserved loss months later.