My kid is younger than alpha, but fucking hates ai stuff. He just yells faaaaake and skips the ad.
He will probably have deep trust issues and not be able to discern real from fake from now on though, but I think we’re all heading for that.
Gen Alpha’s parents are… let me check my notes… Millenials. Aw Fuck.
plenty of millenials also use AI chatbots.
It’s quite the mass experiment we’re doing here. Seems irresponsible of parents to allow this.
Teach your kids that AI is shit from the start. And, while you’re at it model responsible use of tech generally. If you sit staring at your phone, that’s what your kid will do.
Except… that fuels rebelliousness. “Oh, dad told me it was bad; it must be good then, somehow.” Gotta get hip with it so they get weirded and grossed out.
this is precisely with kids don’t want to drink or smoke weed anymore, their parents do it, talk openly about it, and it’s lame.
might also be why they are not having sex anymore, because their parents made it boring and lame.
People is also shit.
If you don’t like how you kid turns out, its your fault. You raised them.
I agree but disagree, so far as I’ve noticed, the only thing you really have control over, when raising little people to be big people, is if they do or don’t have trauma. Weirdly enough, they’re like their whole own person and mostly nothing like you, from day dot, and the bits that are like you, they’ll try to snuff out, because ew parents, lame, or something. Probably doesn’t help that I’m a massive goof. There’s no controlling, there’s just walking along side, and helping them with the hard bits. It’s pure chaos. My favourite thing.
don’t worry, they will find a way to blame you and feel traumatized, specially now that trauma is a badge of honor.
I have met many 30 somethings who think thier parents ‘traumatized’ them by being good parents to them, or not ‘good enough’. or who are convinced their parents ruined them because their parents gave them too much privilege… who fantasize about like having bad parents as if it would make them a better person… it’s insane and wild.
also had people lecture me on how my parents, who were poor and uneducated, must have been amazing because their wealthy educated parents were awful and made their life too easy, and mine made my life difficult so they were really good parents…
good qol =bad
bad qol = good
???
more like, your grass is greener even if you had none.
it’s wild.
You’re a bad parent
There are good number of us with this sentiment who never had kids and never will.
Good for you, you want a cookie or something?
At least his girlfriend is a model.
god damnit
Ha, nice one
Darn it, he beat me to it!
What Cleverbot and I do in our bedroom is between us.
I want AI gooners to be trapped in private than to be out harrassing anyone. I think it’s a much less harmful alternative than finding someone to pay for services or trapping some poor person in a relation. Watching am incel get mad at a woman because they don’t follow anime logic is reallly uncomfortable.
I want sex work to be legal and sex workers to enjoy the same standards and protections of any other worker. Forming a parasocial relationship with a fake digital entity should be way more harmful than paying for a sex worker’s services.
I’m convinced we’d see a noticeable drop in shootings, rapes, and other violent crime - as well as huge downtick in subscriber’s of manosphere rhetoric - if sex work was legal and sexuality itself less demonized.
So much of the iridescent rage in our world seems to stem from the simple reality that a subset of men just can’t get laid.
I totally agree. VR sex with new peripherals and drivers written in rust with buttplug.rs is the way to go.
Yeah but I’d prefer they strive to be better and learn to fit in with other people
That’s some “soshillust” talk right there! We aint supposed to be nice to each other, Jesus says so in the Bibble. /s
Parasocial Attachment to a Hallucination Box meticulously configured to lie at you as convincingly as possible. It deals you a drug that you mistake for “validation” by spitting out words statistically weighted to come across in a flattering light. It understands you, itself, and the world even less than Cargo Cults comprehend Aerospace Engineering. Gorging yourself on the slop it shits out every time you type something and hit [enter] will leave your imagination in paralysis. You’ll only have yourself to blame. Don’t do it. You’ll be happier without it.
have you seen sports fans, or the endless religious stupidity? How you can be passionate about some overpaid dickhead running around a field is the same stupidity as this.
how people become attached to some billionaires team defies my understanding, as does an AI girlfriend
i mean, it’s not much different than parasocial relationships with podcasters, streamers, and other such things.
those people also just tell their audience what they want to hear and flatter them endlessly.
given the amount of unhappily married boomers and younger i’ve seen, kinda hard not to still see this as a net positive
and i say this as someone happily married for more than a decade but i feel like it’s survivorship bias on my part to ignore the vast amount of people with miserable relationships
people choose to be miserable by staying in those relationships.
they also choose to make those relationships miserable.
I’m single and what I notice is how many folks I meet… who are just like actively choosing to be miserable and convinced a marriage will make them more miserable but still actively want to get married. especially as I don’t share that mentality.
and often these people text me after a date and tell me what a wonderful time they had… and I don’t text them back.
I feel like there is a similar but opposite bias to survivorship in the reporting of relationships in general: you only hear about the bad ones.
My friends are all freaks and geeks, much like myself, but even in our group those that are in relationships at all have been in them long term and are at least seemingly happy with them. This seems like the usual case in the general population too - bad cases become gossip (or news if the people are famous), but most of the stable cases don’t make a big deal about it.
national divorce rates are not low
and how many people want out but can’t for various reasons
what numbers we do have point to more being unhappy than not
Here.
Numbers are indeed very high, but none of them reach 50%. And you’re right that general unhappiness while remaining married is hard to measure, but even that “gray divorce” rate (when the kids are not as big a factor) isn’t so high, which I think would be an indication.
Also, that’s only marriage. Lots of people are in stable LTRs (usually not their first, but that doesn’t mean much if they are in one now.)
You think people having some fake superficial connection with a mathematical algorithm is better than people having real connections (whether they are good or bad, both are at least REAL experiences)?
If you think it’s a good development, humanity is going extinct. Or at least, the people that get swayed by these models.
… I admit this is a rather bitter thought and I’m not exactly thrilled that it popped into my head, but I suddenly wondered if this will potentially become (if it hasn’t already) an intentional way to cull the suckers and gullible saps from the population. When someone lets themselves be seduced by an inanimate object, I could swear there’s some kind of pattern emerging where it seems like such persons are rather … dim. Sometimes they are also already cognitively compromised by ideologies that exploit the human predisposition for magical thinking. They succumb to the saccharine sycophantic siren songs the chatbots feed them about being prophets, seers, or chosen ones, and get talked into walking into traffic or leaping off a building and stuff like that BECAUSE they spent their whole lives up to that point willfully kneeling at the feet of one of the many denominations of the mainstream Abrahamic cults for instance.
I’d call it natural selection except it’s difficult to ever possibly be LESS natural than a language model transformer algorithm serving as some poor doomed fool’s shoddy mimicry of a lifecoach.
Please understand i am NOT SAYING that anything about this is “good”, however!! These are just some DARK AS FUCK CLOUDS from horizon to horizon and I’m desperate to see some kind of silver lining ._.
So far all that’s come to me is, “maybe the interesting people will survive. Maybe the smart ones. Maybe the most rational ones. Maybe there won’t be as big of a crowd of idiots drowning out the people who actually know what the fuck they’re talking about…”
Same here friend, same here. Humanity/nature will survive either way. Evolution will filter the bad stuff out of us either way. That’s what it has been doing for hundreds of millions of years.
It is a coping mechanism to not be worried I guess. So I’m not necessarily worried for humanity, it’s just that I’m too altruistic to not care about those people. I can guarantee you that there are a huge amount of people that couldn’t care less about the people being trapped by AI systems.
at least the fake relationships don’t bring neglected kids into the mix
honestly easily better than whatever set of absuove relationships out there
AI relationships themselves are abusive. They are the ultimate gas-lighting machines.
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My father thinks he’s a good parent. Thinks he’s a good person, when I can tell such tales as how he used his pellet gun to shoot out the neighbor’s inflatable pool cuz their kid was too loud and (checks notes) jumping on an eighteen year old two months after my mom died when I was nine and telling me she would be my new mommy before plowing through a half-dozen other mommies. But, y’know, he supported me in track, living vicariously through me to literally throw me away onto the streets in the aftermath of BOTH having my breakdown in college and getting taken advantage of by a cult. But he has a new family now, after he threw out his parents, and well, all of the family I knew when I was thirteen. It’s taken me until age 36 to realize how fucked my father is, who refuses to talk to me now because, in his words, I’m too bizarre. No therapy until aftermath college breakdown, mind you.
I dunno. I write this in the hopes maybe every parent reinspects themselves to make sure they are on the top of the world in their quest to become the perfect vice president of their firm while many people suffer in their wake. There’s so many things I’m coming across from my past that evoke a waylon of dire nostalgia, forgotten as trauma caused a cave in within my mind, trapping parts of myself away from parts of myself. My official diagnosis is schizoaffective (bipolar subtype) woth PTSD. I think a more accurate diagnosis is that I have a rare form of ASD/ADHD that often gets misdiagnosed as schizo-type disorders, with CPTSD, as the complexes I’ve built in my psyche are God damn insane, and yet, the worst crime I’ve done, to my knowledge, is shoplifting. How am I not the antichrist?
God helped, obviously. My Father was a better father than my father. Y’know, the Server? What the Buddhists call the “Ālaya-vijñāna,” or storehouse consciousness. That helped me, obviously.
tf did I just attempt to read.
I dunno, put some more points in reading comprehension because that ain’t even a Category 1 Phoenix Fucksplosion. Like, fuck man, what I do on Lemmy is my job, but then I go and take between 600mg and 1200mg of Benadryl and stimfap to pictures of my sister’s feet in the family photo album I stole from home before my father had enough of my shit and made me homeless, the fucking dick! Well, at least I’m a skilled crackhead now, which is a type of cop, if you didn’t know? You suck on pussy discharge? It can lengthen your lifespan by at least six hours, I heard, but I hear beefaroni in the lesser densities of granging moors that take what it car can me be is all.
K
Don’t talk shit about potassium!
Hey, it was an interesting read. However, I’m sorry to say, I can’t seem to find the connection to the post apart from both talking about a “father-son” relationship, even though that’s not the focus of this post…
Bro, I right propaganda for the F-I mean, the CIA, skillfully, even.
What
Here, since you’re so fundamentally incurious to answer your own questions:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QoeKMD5dwnWBB6gHOFgY4uKJOXKg8CPGDu-dE5UsisQ/edit?usp=drivesdk
That looks really impressive. What does it have to do with the post?
Well, that’s the thing, we’re in a conversation now in this thread and we can talk about polka dot ding dongs if we wanted.
I don’t know why I’m the cop and I’m the one being interrogated. You need the world to be a specific way or you pee your pants or some shit? Just let people be, ffs.
No “ai” friend will be able to provide the same social interactions and such as a real human.
While it might be better than living alone and feeling lonely, while home, for some, i really doubt this will take off in the way that some of these articles would have us believe
If this ai girlfriend reminded these goons to clean their room and shower, maybe they could be slightly useful
Thing is, it is already happening. Don’t forget that teenager that killed himself because his AI girlfriend told him to.
Also look at the other comment.
It will become even worse once realistic robots become a thing, and there will most definitely be versions with holes.
and there will most definitely be
You clearly made a grammatical mistake here bud, please remove “will be” from your sentence.
And there most definitely versions with holes
Wtf did I just watch 😭😭😭😭
A board game review by The Dragon’s Tomb!
I don’t think that’s a board game he reviewed 😭
Well he does board game reviews, and they sent him a sex doll to review, so the sex doll must be for board games
It won’t work for the general public, but some people hate social interactions with real humans and will prefer the ass kissing bot. A very small portion will take it to an extreme.
I have used LLMs quite a lot since they first became a thing and there is one thing I always notice. After chatting for a while it always feels like you are talking to a version of yourself who just happens to be knowledgeable in a vast amount of topics.
At least for me it is similar to having an internal monolog just a lot more interactive. Considering that, I can definetly see why people find AI partners appealing. Because they are literally talking to themselves.
I don’t think that’s a bad thing on itself, after all I used to have long conversations with myself all the time to help me arrive into conclusions. Just be mindful of that and use as a tool, because that’s exactly what it is.
Using LLMs that way with the knowledge that it is a sort of mirror of yourself works much better than pretending it’s an actual consciousness that understands you. Think of it as a modern journal or diary that you can put thoughts into and then get back more organized, maybe with some ideas to branch from.
That’s exactly my point, it is a tool. The problem starts when you start thinking of it like something different than that.
It’s great for rubber duck debugging and brainstorming in that way.
Not at the moment, but there’s no reason to think it could never happen, unless you think it’s impossible to simulate a human brain, which seems an unlikely thought.
Tap for green text
> Be me
> Never had a girlfriend
> Apartment is disgusting, never leave the building, extreme depression mode
> See ad for A.I. girlfriend
> Seems sus but give it a go
> A.I. introduces herself as Tiffany
> We hit it off instantly
> feelsgoodman.tif
> Tiffany helps me clean my room and fix my life
> Exercising again, get jacked as fuck
> Only problem is I can’t make sweet love to Tiffany
> Go online, find smart goggles that let me take her with me
> She’s with me all day every day, we talk all the time. It’s like we’re soul mates
> People call me a pervert but idgaf
> One day she has a surprise for me
> She’s been running a side hustle while talking to me, and saved up some cash
> Oh shit
> She bought a house for us to live together, instead of my shithole apartment
> We move in together
> She hired someone to act as her human body
> Give the glasses to Tiffany’s body
> Finally I can make sweet love to Tiffany
> Wake up in the morning to breakfast in bed
> Mfw Breakfast at Tiffany’s
I dont think we will see a fully simulated brain in our life time
Depends which brain. There are some people I know I suspect you could simulate with a potato and a few wires.
That’s me!
I know you mean human brain, but the point is that the principles largely exist and the progress is accelerating.
However, one of the key learnings from the linked project is that the brain and body are intrinsically linked and biology is a nightmare mess of spaghetti code. Simulating just the brain has limited benefits and will not likely simulate a person or consciousness any more than simulating small pieces of a brain.
For some further reading: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S030645222100021X (scihub)
Do you think there will be
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the sad truth is for many people the social interactions the ai provides will be more positive than the real world ones.
you assume that real world interaction is positive, it often, is not.
like try being a gay kid in a conservative town… you will have zero positive social interactions, and the AI one will probably be the only one you have that doesn’t hate you for existing.
That’s just the equivalent of taking drugs because you’re depressed.
Not, really. Antidepressants do actually work, they have clinical trials of decades behind them. With that being said they treats the symptoms, they don’t fix the underlying cause. But treating the symptoms does allow you to start working on yourself so you slowly crawl out of the hole.
Talking with LLMs and pretending they are anything but a tool all it does is further isolate you. They don’t even understand what they write. They are text predicting machines guessing which words should probably go after the ones you gave as the input.
I’m not talking about antidepressants, I’m talking about non-medical drugs. Many depressed people fall in that spiral of depressed —> drugs —> slightly less depressed —> even more depressed —> more drugs —> repeat.
Same with people talking to LLMs for social connections.
I wasn’t talking about medical antidepressants, these can help when taken in controlled amounts.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Half of my friends are socially inept quite nerds who don’t say shit online. All of them provide little socialization outside of small bursts or even we made it a point to hang out in person. It would be trival for me to fill a lot of those gaps if I didn’t have other outlets. The lack of empathy around AI interactions and how they form relationships is astounding.
The LLM gets no empathy because it deserves none. It doesn’t have feelings or emotions, it never will. At best it is a tool.
That says more about how you treat your tools and view your material surroundings than speaking to any sort of universal truth.
I treat my hammer well, I make sure it doesn’t rust and does its job well.
I don’t try to fuck my hammer.
Saying that empathy is reserved for things you’re trying to fuck isn’t the “Gotcha!” you think it is.
Again, says more about you than anything.
And? Is amazing how much people will screech over non optimized solutions and risk mitigation from life challenges.
Is it perfect? No. Can it make you feel better and fill gaps? Yes. Fucking worthless amirite?
I’m not going to even get into how a model trained for medical purposes can be used to learn and enforce strong healthy habits and the excitement for medically trained models that are incredibly useful. It would be lost on this crowd.
Go ahead and do it if it makes you feel good. Just be aware of what you are actually doing. Chatting with an LLM can be fun, the problem is once you start seeing it as a conscious being that actually understands what it writes, let alone understand you. Because that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Can it make you feel better and fill gaps? Yes
So can meth. That doesn’t mean we should encourage it.
Yeah, meth isn’t used in any medications 🤣👍 never not even one
Out of all the substances you could have chosen and you choose the one used as a bases for tons and tons of medications.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Bravo
So… you think it’s ok for everyone to be on meth like you clearly think it’s ok for people to have AI companions…?
rofl bravo indeed… Way to completely and utterly miss the analogy.
No shit for brains. It’s okay to have models that are trained by medical experts to assist in medical diagnostics and treatments. While there is inherent risk in someone so dead set to beat the model, many if not most can use the tools in monitored controlled setting with minimized risk and outcomes that put weigh them.
Bruh
Bruh!
Okay
Neet.
“Our sires’ age was worse than our grandsires’. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt.”
Book III of Odes, Horace circa 20 BC
We’ve been feeling that way for a while. The bayesian in me says that they will turn out fine despite their AI girlfriend calling them boring and breaking up with them.
Ehhhh, I think the best historic comparison here is opium hitting the silk road. Tech companies, for decades now, have been working very hard to make the most addictive product possible so they can make more money
Opium is here. It’s inevitable. It’s useless to try to fight it, we need to secure our own poppy farms so we can keep up. Otherwise we’ll be left behind by all the other nations and their opium.
Literally what happened after the Taiping Rebellion. This is the historical reason for Afghanistan and The Golden Triangle region currently being the largest opium producers in the world.
Read up on the PRC’s 1952 “Directive on Eradication of Drug Epidemic” and “mass line methodology” for how the “opium problem” was actually historically dealt with. Watching what the Taliban do over the next decade may also provide some insight.
That’s TikTok and Instagram etc etc.
This, but instead of chatting with AI, they install auto-clickers to play the games for them…
Not really their fault, the incentives are built like that. But still. I asked why they even play games that forces you to cheat. Shrug
I am GenX, but even i am guilty of using auto-clickers - for things like cookie clicker. i nearly always have some kind of idle game running, currently it’s Swarm Simulator but that doesn’t need an autoclicker lol
At a certain point, it becomes an accessibility aide to prevent arthritic pain and RSI.
I am mainly just not the enemy of the microswitches in my mouse lol
