Bro, you are straight-up talking out of your ass, and ,arguably, dangerously so. There are plenty of studies that show people with ADHD and substance use disorder are less prone to relapse when their ADHD is treated, the most effective treatment being stimulant medication. In fact, there are even studies showing that people with ADHD who were treated with stimulant medication as a kid are at significantly lower risk to develop substance use disorder later in life. While stimulant medication is definitely highly addictive for people without ADHD, studies consistently show that addiction risk is lowered when people with ADHD take stimulant medication. So while ‘technically’ true that it’s possible for people with ADHD to be addicted to stimulants, it’s flatly irresponsible to dismiss the mountain of research showing to benefits of stimulant medication in reducing addiction risk in people with ADHD.
I’m also going to make it a point to contend with your use of “physically addicted” in this context. There’s a huge difference between dependence and addiction and it’s very frequently obfuscated by the phrase “physically addicted” in the context of medication. Physiological dependence on stimulant medication for people with ADHD is common over longer periods of time, often requiring increased doses to maintain levels of effectiveness. It’s basically a cliche at this point for many neurotypical people to characterize this normal physiological response as “physical addiction”, regardless of frequently missed doses(who tf forgets to feed their addiction???), absence of euphoric effect at any point, association of the drug with symptomatic relief by the user, and a fucking prescription for an official diagnosis. Considering, once again, the mountain of evidence showing lowered risk of addiction in people with ADHD taking medication, the implied conflation of dependence and addiction with the phrase “physically addicted” is wildly irresponsible and ignorant.
If you don’t know what you’re talking about, shut the fuck up. You could be fucking with people’s lives considering the stigma and misinformation already out there. For a good amount of people, stimulant medication is what will be the thing that helps them finally beat addiction.
Jo didn’t say anything like that. He correctly said that stimulant medication is addictive because it is. It’s a managed addiction. Like, if I don’t take my meds for a few days I don’t get shakes or tremors or night sweats or anything. I just get hungry and sleepy. That’s withdraw. That’s chemical dependency. It’s mild but it’s 100% fact. This is all very well documented in the medication guidance as well. Euphoria, weight loss and insomnia when starting. Weight gain, anxiety and agitation when stopping.
First, chill the fuck out. Second, I am not, in anyway, discouraging the use of stimulants for the treatment of ADHD. Let me.make this part VERY clear. ADHD medication can and is often life altering for those affected and should be absolutely considered, under medical supervision. Third, I have read a lot of the studies and I am not disagreeing with the fact that the medication is safe (still urge medical supervision).
If you cool your jets you’d realize that what I am speaking of SPECIFICALLY, is the implication in the original comment that people with ADHD are somehow immune to addiction to stimulants. Assuming immunity to addiction is dangerous and also not true. If you cannot differentiate between the two very different points, feel free to block me.
No one made that argument. The original question was asking if it’s a reliable confirmation of a correct diagnosis of ADHD if stimulant medication doesn’t seem to be addictive for the individual. The further implication was research done to demonstrate the low addiction risk of people with ADHD with stimulant medication. There was no attempt at specified language that would necessitate an implication that they believed people with ADHD are “immune”(in the popular use) to stimulant addiction. Maybe their use of language was inexact, but communication is a two-way street and it’s important to not assume necessity where it isn’t explicitly specified. A response of “No.” to the intent of the original question is irresponsibly incorrect.
Even if their intent was indeed to specifically say people with ADHD are immune to stimulant addiction, while the correct first part of a response would be to say that definitely isn’t the case, it still implies some interaction with the studies showing the direct benefits of stimulant medication for people with ADHD struggling with addiction. Leaving the response at a negative would be factually correct, but still irresponsible to leave out the referred studies because the implication would be that it’s just some random made-up bullshit, increasing stigma, seeding skepticism of the actual studies, and just generally being unhelpful. It’s a topical discussion, so the appropriate thing is to actually address the topic at hand.
Also, starting off your comment with “chill the fuck out” and ending it with “feel free to block me.” is hilarious. I’m sorry, I’m not sure how to phrase that without it seeming like I’m mocking you, I just genuinely find it funny.
Bro, you are straight-up talking out of your ass, and ,arguably, dangerously so. There are plenty of studies that show people with ADHD and substance use disorder are less prone to relapse when their ADHD is treated, the most effective treatment being stimulant medication. In fact, there are even studies showing that people with ADHD who were treated with stimulant medication as a kid are at significantly lower risk to develop substance use disorder later in life. While stimulant medication is definitely highly addictive for people without ADHD, studies consistently show that addiction risk is lowered when people with ADHD take stimulant medication. So while ‘technically’ true that it’s possible for people with ADHD to be addicted to stimulants, it’s flatly irresponsible to dismiss the mountain of research showing to benefits of stimulant medication in reducing addiction risk in people with ADHD.
I’m also going to make it a point to contend with your use of “physically addicted” in this context. There’s a huge difference between dependence and addiction and it’s very frequently obfuscated by the phrase “physically addicted” in the context of medication. Physiological dependence on stimulant medication for people with ADHD is common over longer periods of time, often requiring increased doses to maintain levels of effectiveness. It’s basically a cliche at this point for many neurotypical people to characterize this normal physiological response as “physical addiction”, regardless of frequently missed doses(who tf forgets to feed their addiction???), absence of euphoric effect at any point, association of the drug with symptomatic relief by the user, and a fucking prescription for an official diagnosis. Considering, once again, the mountain of evidence showing lowered risk of addiction in people with ADHD taking medication, the implied conflation of dependence and addiction with the phrase “physically addicted” is wildly irresponsible and ignorant.
If you don’t know what you’re talking about, shut the fuck up. You could be fucking with people’s lives considering the stigma and misinformation already out there. For a good amount of people, stimulant medication is what will be the thing that helps them finally beat addiction.
Jo didn’t say anything like that. He correctly said that stimulant medication is addictive because it is. It’s a managed addiction. Like, if I don’t take my meds for a few days I don’t get shakes or tremors or night sweats or anything. I just get hungry and sleepy. That’s withdraw. That’s chemical dependency. It’s mild but it’s 100% fact. This is all very well documented in the medication guidance as well. Euphoria, weight loss and insomnia when starting. Weight gain, anxiety and agitation when stopping.
First, chill the fuck out. Second, I am not, in anyway, discouraging the use of stimulants for the treatment of ADHD. Let me.make this part VERY clear. ADHD medication can and is often life altering for those affected and should be absolutely considered, under medical supervision. Third, I have read a lot of the studies and I am not disagreeing with the fact that the medication is safe (still urge medical supervision).
If you cool your jets you’d realize that what I am speaking of SPECIFICALLY, is the implication in the original comment that people with ADHD are somehow immune to addiction to stimulants. Assuming immunity to addiction is dangerous and also not true. If you cannot differentiate between the two very different points, feel free to block me.
No one made that argument. The original question was asking if it’s a reliable confirmation of a correct diagnosis of ADHD if stimulant medication doesn’t seem to be addictive for the individual. The further implication was research done to demonstrate the low addiction risk of people with ADHD with stimulant medication. There was no attempt at specified language that would necessitate an implication that they believed people with ADHD are “immune”(in the popular use) to stimulant addiction. Maybe their use of language was inexact, but communication is a two-way street and it’s important to not assume necessity where it isn’t explicitly specified. A response of “No.” to the intent of the original question is irresponsibly incorrect.
Even if their intent was indeed to specifically say people with ADHD are immune to stimulant addiction, while the correct first part of a response would be to say that definitely isn’t the case, it still implies some interaction with the studies showing the direct benefits of stimulant medication for people with ADHD struggling with addiction. Leaving the response at a negative would be factually correct, but still irresponsible to leave out the referred studies because the implication would be that it’s just some random made-up bullshit, increasing stigma, seeding skepticism of the actual studies, and just generally being unhelpful. It’s a topical discussion, so the appropriate thing is to actually address the topic at hand.
Also, starting off your comment with “chill the fuck out” and ending it with “feel free to block me.” is hilarious. I’m sorry, I’m not sure how to phrase that without it seeming like I’m mocking you, I just genuinely find it funny.