• kurmudgeon@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    Or the citizens could just stand up to Putin, finally. If they’re going to lose citizens to this war, you might as well make your own war as a war against Putin. More worth the effort and you’d get rid of that asshole.

    But unfortunately, Russians would rather fall in line and blindly follow what they’re told to do. Even if it means sending them to the meat grinder, losing your sons, father, brothers, etc. and for what? Donbas? Seriously?

    Just keep being a good worker, Russia.

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      18 hours ago

      Revolution almost always requires the participation of the elites, so until a group of Russian oligarchs decides they’ve had enough, Putin will get his way.

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          16 hours ago

          Not necessarily. Usually elite participation will result in at least parts of the military defecting, but failing that it’s entirely possible for a revolutionary coalition not to include military elements. If it’s really necessary, it’s always possible for rich oligarchs to just buy a military.

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            7 hours ago

            A lot of people would argue you still need the military or armed forces to side with revolutionaries, or at least not shoot at protesters. The Berlin Wall fell when the border guards did not raise their arms at the Germans. The coup against Gorbachev by communist hardliners did not succeed when the armed forces did not join the latter. And the Gen Z protests in Bangladesh few years ago succeeded when the military refused further orders from the corrupt government.

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              I mean at some point the military is going to have to refuse orders (otherwise you get a civil war), but that’s different from siding with the revolutionaries. As for Bangladesh specifically, the military wasn’t involved in the protests on either side; the uprising succeeded when Sheikh Hasina realized she couldn’t get the country under control.